Anonymous #1 1d

A Muslim is someone who submits his will to the One Creator. Did Jesus submit his will to one god?

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Anonymous #2 1d

Adam was the first man and the first Muslim, Eve the second. Many after including Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Joseph and Jesus (peace and blessings be upon all of them) were all Muslim. There were all prophets of god who taught the people to worship one god alone and themselves worshipped one god alone

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Anonymous OP 1d

I think you’re equating Islam to monotheism

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Anonymous OP 1d

nuns do that. does that make them muslim? no. jesus was a jew. he was a rabbi.

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Anonymous #1 1d

so as muslims what we believe is that all of the prophets were preaching the same thing, moses pbuh, jesus pbuh, & muhammad pbuh. we believe that what we now know to be judaism, christianity, & islam were all originally the same msg sent down from allah for diff ppl at diff times in history but judaism & christianity got corrupted along the way by human influence which is why we had to have a third msg (islam) sent as the final complete non-corrupted msg for all of humanity

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Anonymous #4 1d

bc of this we believe that all of the prophets r "muslim" in that this means they all preached the same beliefs of worshipping one god & associating no partners w him

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Anonymous #3 1d

Jesus submitted his will to the father. He fell ok his face in prayer, he described himself as a prophet. Nuns follow the trinity, that’s not monotheism

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Anonymous #1 1d

Islam is true monotheism, however I have presented evidences for Jesus being a Muslim please present a counter argument if you disagree show me how I am wrong

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Anonymous OP 1d

judaism describes him as a prophet as well. and ummm christians believe that the trinity is one single god.. father son and holy spirit are all one being. that is monotheism. he was a jew

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Anonymous #3 1d

Judaism doesn’t view Jesus as a Jew, nor do they view him as a prophet nor do they respect him. Are you saying 3=1? Maths not working on that one my good friend

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Anonymous chosen123 15h

See answer above

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Anonymous OP 15h

Christianity is also monotheistic because we believe in 1 God that has 3 divine natures. In Islam do you agree Allah has 99 attributes?

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Anonymous #4 15h

Do you believe in the Gospel and Torah? If you do and the Quran confirms it how do you know which parts were corrupted? Allah told Muhammad if you doubt the Quran confirms it with the Torah and gospel at his time. So there was a injeel and Torah. When a women was caught in adultrey why did they go to Muhammad for counsel and he used the Torah to make the decision to stone her. Even when the Jews tried hiding the text. Muhammad couldn’t read the text so he had an interpreter.

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Anonymous OP 15h

The first thing that was ever created or came from the father was Jesus Christ before anything. Jesus Christ was the first and the last. Because of Adam we all inherited Sins and yes they all worshipped one God which is The father, Jesus and Holy Spirit. 1 God 3 natures. The Quran also teaches none of the prophets committed sins when they All did. God anointed and chose his prophets because he chose them for a calling. They aren’t better than us they just had a mission in their lives.

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Anonymous OP 15h

The only sinless person was Jesus Christ and he came down to save us from sins and rose on the 3rd day obtaining the keys from Hell. Jesus has the power to send and save people from hell. He sits on the throne next to the father not beneath him or anywhere else but next to him. Jesus was fully human and fully divine but was limited to knowing everything on this earth. That’s why he didn’t know the hour but I’m sure he knows now. He experienced hunger thirst and other human traits.

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Anonymous OP 15h

Jesus submitted to one God the father and Holy Spirit. He would pray and talk to the father often. The Jews don’t believe he was the massiah. When they crucified Jesus they wrote “King of Jews” and for your example of 1+1+1=3 how about saying 1times1times1=1 In the gospel Jesus referred to the father as father but Allah refuses to use his creation as children but as a slave only. Do you know anything about Jesus from the Quran ? How he fasted, how he prayed, where he was from?

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Anonymous OP 14h

The only reason you believe the bible was corrupted especially the new testament because Paul wrote most of it. For some reason you guys don’t take his teachings because he didn’t meet Jesus but he did. He was filled by the Holy Spirit. He received the word of God through the Holy Spirit and the old testament talks about Jesus Christ. It all connects together. The Dead Sea scrolls confirms the message has been preserved. They’re is a lot of manuscripts also confirming the bible.

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Anonymous chosen123 13h

Allah has 99 names, the 100th name will be revealed to us on the day of judgement. I think you’d agree as a Christian that God’s attributes are beyond our comprehension, so it doesn’t make sense to limit them with a number. Can you show me evidence for the trinity in the bible? Who did Jesus worship? Was it a triune God? Or did he worship only 1 creator

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Anonymous OP 12h

I’ve explained everything in my message. There’s multiple verses where it says Matthew 3:16-17: Describes the Spirit descending like a dove on Jesus at his baptism, with the Father speaking from heaven. John 10:30: Jesus states, "I and the Father are one 1 Peter 1:2: Believers are chosen by God the Father, sanctified by the Spirit, and obedient to Jesus Christ these point towards the trinity. Jesus worshiped the father and the Holy Spirit. He wouldn’t worship himself.

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What are you trying to say here it doesn’t prove anything but the trinity the father the son the Holy Spirit

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Anonymous chosen123 12h

That’s a nice point I like it. Infact it is impossible to be a Muslim without believing in Prophet Moses and his message (the Torah), Prophet Jesus and his message (the Bible) and every prophet before them. All of which preached the same message, worship 1 God alone, the one creator. Corruption in the bible is clear, in many places we can see the corruption and the mistakes in the text, and even so granting that the bible is not corrupted although it is

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Anonymous chosen123 12h

Granting the bible is not corrupted, my point is that Jesus was a Muslim, not that the bible is corrupted. I’m reading the bible and it’s telling that Jesus message was to worship one god alone

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Anonymous OP 12h

Bible warned us 500 years before Muhammad and Islam saying For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light."

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Anonymous OP 12h

If Jesus was Muslim and got baptized why don’t Muslims get baptized. And why would Jesus say get baptized in The father The son and The Holy Spirit ? Why would he say The father and I are one. We do worship the one God alone there’s only one God. With 3 divine natures it’s too complex to understand with the human mind. Like you mentioned about Allah 99 attributes I’ll use the same logic you used.

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Anonymous chosen123 12h

Your claim about Muhammed and the Torah is from a Hadith which I can easily reject and choose not to believe that it happened and I’ll still be a Muslim. I worship one god alone, just like Jesus did

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Anonymous OP 12h

Are you Quran only? The Hadith is the 2nd most important book in Islam. Without it you wouldn’t know how to pray how to fast how to do most things.

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Anonymous chosen123 12h

I don’t see how Jesus being first before Adam proves that he was not a Muslim. I don’t believe in the original sin, do then claim responsibility for the sin of Adam? Do you feel you deserve punishment for the sin of your ancestors? If you commit a crime shall we punish your son?

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Anonymous OP 12h

We all deserve death for sinning, nothing we will ever do is even close to getting into heaven. For the wages of sin is death. No matter how much work you put in you’re not or will no be enough to go to heaven. We need Jesus Christ who sacrifices himself for all sins of humans. By only his grace and mercy we will be allowed in heaven. Does that mean we can do anything we want no you must try hard everyday from sinning and change your ways. I don’t need to die for my ancestors Jesus already did.

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Anonymous chosen123 12h

The Quran teaching that the prophets are infallible doesn’t address that Jesus was a Muslim. Your opinion is that the prophets were sinful and the same as us, which is based on an unreliable text, I have too much respect for my prophets to think that of them Alhamdulliah

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Anonymous OP 12h

The reason why we all are even on this earth because Adam and Eve sinned and we was cursed down onto earth where they had to endure hardship and for women child birth it was what they have to endure for sinning. We all are born sinners because of Adam and Jesus came to free us.

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Anonymous chosen123 12h

Listing your beliefs doesn’t negate my point that Jesus was a Muslim. The bible teaches us that Jesus was a Muslim, can you show me the evidences for any of the beliefs you listed? Jesus in the bible teaches us to worship one god alone, the same as he did

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Anonymous OP 12h

The Quran also teaches to kill every Christian and Jew or pay jizyah. Do you think that’s fair? Pay us or die or change to our religion. All prophets were sinners who are just like us. The only difference is they were anointed and had a purpose for their life. They are just like us. God chose people who even tho knew they would sin they would turn back too him because we have a loving just God. You think they were sinless, they drank, they lied, they committed adultry, they did what people do.

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Anonymous chosen123 12h

The bible here seems to talk about he who “cometh preacheth another Jesus”. Seems to me that if we follow the bible we can reach the conclusion that Jesus preached to worship one God alone. Whereas you worship 3 in 1 which isn’t the same as 1

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Anonymous OP 12h

You keep saying he’s Muslim when he’s not. I told you a perfect example Jesus prayed to the father aka “abba” Muslims don’t believe Allah has children why would Jesus say the father if he was Muslim.

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Anonymous OP 12h

Jesus Christ had the Holy Spirit after he was baptized than in verse John 14:26: "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you". What’s the only sin that’s not forgiven in Christianity is blasphemy the Holy Spirit not Jesus Christ not the father but the Holy Spirit

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Anonymous chosen123 12h

If Jesus submits to the father how can he be his equal? Did he submit to himself? Did Jesus pray to himself? Yeah 1x3=3 I agree but also 1x999,999,999=999,999,999. It’s clear that 1=1 I’d say. What does writing king of Jews prove? Do you know the context in which it was written? I know Jesus well from the Quran. I believe in the virgin birth, speaking in the cradle to defend his mother. I believe he healed the sick and the blind, that he brought the dead back to life. Same as you do.

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Anonymous chosen123 12h

There’s no problem in Islam to metaphorically claim to be the son of God. We are all children of God. It’s very different to say the actual son of God, that would definitely be islamically unacceptable as we know logically that God is beyond limitations and therefore it is not possible for him to have a son. This of course is the Islamic opinion, it should be you showing me he is the son of God instead of telling me that my religion rejects this idea

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Anonymous OP 12h

Yes Jesus Christ submits to the father you’re not wrong but the Son voluntarily submits to the Father's authority to fulfill the plan of redemption. Jesus talked to his father yes he would do whatever the Father says John 5:19 (ESV): "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing...". The father isn’t the son the son isn’t the Holy Spirit they have different natures

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Anonymous chosen123 12h

Can you show me in the bible where anyone baptised in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit? Why did they not follow this teaching if Jesus told them to do it?

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Anonymous chosen123 11h

In the same chapter of the bible, on the same page, look at the language Jesus uses to describe the Father. He says “the works I do in my Father’s name testify about me”, “My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all”. Anyway “I and the Father are one” doesn’t refute the point he was a Muslim, nor does it prove the trinity. Its easy to interpret it if you see him as a prophet that he’s speaking metaphorical (if he did speak it)

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Anonymous chosen123 11h

Sure but Allah having many attributes doesn’t clash with the attributes of a necessary being (God). Without pure monotheism, God doesn’t make sense and you cannot prove the trinity from the bible which is a corrupted book

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Anonymous OP 11h

I’ve given you bible verses I’ve given you things that back up what I said you keep denying it because you’re adamant about the trinity. Your mind isn’t able to grasp the nature of the trinity. I pray Jesus Christ will open your heart to understanding the trinity. I was Muslim before I became Christian and I was just like you fixated about the trinity. But now I understand. There is 1 God 3 distinct natures who co exist co equal they’ve always existed.

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Anonymous OP 11h

Where does it say it’s corrupted? And what parts are corrupted?

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Anonymous chosen123 11h

So Jesus Christ submits to the Father, does nothing of his own accord yet he is his equal? You’re contradicting yourself in your own sentences. Where is the trinity in the bible? The bible tells us over and over again to worship one god alone

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Anonymous OP 11h

What do you mean you want me to show you where people were getting baptized by John the Baptist than Jesus says Matthew 28:19-20: Jesus commands disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Than John the Baptist said Matthew 3:11 (NIV): "I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I... He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire".

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Anonymous chosen123 11h

Ahh really? From our conversation it seems your grasp on basic Islamic knowledge is very weak. Can you tell me what’s the reason you left Islam? And what’s the convincing evidence in Christianity? You’ve given me no evidence for anything, every time you’ve made a reference to the bible it has been either out of context or completely irrelevant. I’d love to see some evidence for the trinity still maybe I’ll follow in your footsteps and become a Christian then

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Anonymous OP 11h

Though co-equal in the Trinity, Jesus willingly submitted his will to the Father’s during his incarnation (Philippians 2:5-8, John 6:38), modeling obedience, overcoming temptation, and fulfilling the plan for redemption through his death

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Anonymous chosen123 11h

I haven’t been fixated on the trinity I’ve been hyper fixated on the Jesus being a Muslim which is the whole post hence why I’m fixated. I only discussed trinity when you brought it up. BTW I’d like to see evidence for the trinity because reading the bible points me to believing one god alone with no trinity and that Jesus was the messenger of God

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Anonymous chosen123 11h

I really love that you brought up this verse about the dove and Jesus and the voice. Can you tell me in this scenario how many beings are there? I can count the Dove (1), Jesus (2) and the voice from the Father in heaven (3) that’s the distinct and separate bodies. So how are these 3 now 1?

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Anonymous OP 11h

I don’t think Islam is true because of many reasons I don’t agree that all prophets were sinless I don’t agree with sharia law I don’t agree with Muhammad’s message about war and violence and taking over countries by force I don’t agree there’s only one Quran I don’t agree with Muhammad marrying Aisha I don’t agree with Muhammad allowing concubines. I don’t agree with whatever Muhammad wanted he got. I don’t agree with him having multiple wives. I don’t agree he was met with a angel

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Anonymous OP 11h

That was a bad example to give of the trinity I admit because they are co equal and co exist so yes me giving that example was a bad one in that case you’re right but because I used a bad analogy

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Anonymous chosen123 11h

John 14:28 the father is greater than I John 17:3 the one true god .... And Jesus who you sent 17:21 means that if your interpretation is right that this means Jesus is saying he is god, then all the disciples are now god aswell. I've got easy solution for you which is to accept it as a metaphor

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Anonymous OP 11h

I can give analogy of the trinity but it doesn’t do it justice because using an analogy limits its meaning. But if I were to use a analogy I’d say look at the sun it’s there and it shows light and heat another one would be a egg but specifically it doesn’t say trinity in the bible but it shows and teaches it. The early church here a link that teaches us how the trinity is taught in the bible without directly mentioning the word trinity https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-trinity

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Anonymous chosen123 11h

Peter 1:2 shows a clear hierarchy, but you claimed they are co-equal. Idk how this points you to the trinity either because there is no mention of them all being 1 they are mentioned here as 3 separate beings with different roles

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Anonymous OP 11h

You’re sending me bible verses too with your own interpretation just as I am. The father is not Jesus and Jesus isn’t the father they are co equal In John 14:28, Jesus' statement "the Father is greater than I" generally refers to his functional, temporary role as a human during his earthly ministry, rather than a difference in divine nature. While Jesus is considered equal to God in divinity, he was obedient and subordinate to the Father while in human flesh.

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Anonymous chosen123 11h

Your “bad analogy” is an extract from the bible….

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Anonymous chosen123 11h

I haven’t asked you to give an analogy of trinity, I asked you for evidence of the trinity from the bible. You have shown me evidence from the bible that there is clear refutation of the trinity

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Anonymous OP 11h

I looked up Peter 1:2 I don’t see a hierarchy

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Anonymous chosen123 11h

There’s so many evidences for corruption in the bible, most importantly you don’t have a copy from the source, the first bible you have is 400 years after Jesus. Written by anonymous authors. Then you have the canonisation of the bible by early church fathers who decided how many gospels should go in the bible and what is canonical and why is not. These are clear corruptions deviating from the original message. This is without even opening the book

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Anonymous chosen123 11h

I asked you to show me people getting baptised in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. To baptise in the name of all 3 just as Jesus taught. Nowhere in the bible does anyone follow this teaching of Jesus. Why would they all disobey Jesus?

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Anonymous chosen123 11h

They are chosen by the father, so the father brings them in the first place he is the source. Through the spirit which is used here as pathway, for things from the source to go through. To finally Jesus who is obeyed. So the hierarchy according the this verse (which I don’t accept) is: Father -> Holy Spirit -> Jesus

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Anonymous chosen123 11h

Your point with Philippians and John 6:38 is unclear. Is this evidence for the trinity? If so how?

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Anonymous chosen123 11h

Can you explain why you don’t believe prophets are sinless? What’s wrong in sharia? Can you show me where Mohammed taught violence and war? Is there another Quran? Aisha was 18/19 when she married Mohammed. You don’t need to have concubines to be Muslim, nor can you just have them like you are thinking. I’m not sure what you mean that Muhammed got what he wanted?

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Anonymous chosen123 11h

I am not a Quranist, I am a Muslim who worships 1 god alone. Yes of course Hadith is important, but I don’t accept any book of Hadith wholesale, each Hadith can be rejected or accepted based on its own merits. The one you mentioned is one you can reject without issue whether you are a Sunni or Shia or any other denomination of Muslim

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Anonymous OP 11h

You don’t even follow the Hadith like you mentioned you can just reject it and no one is sinless just Jesus Christ.

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Anonymous #6 11h

Muslim means he submitted to 1 god alone. Prove me wrong. Jesus worshipped one god in the bible and he preached to others to worship one god alone

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Anonymous chosen123 11h

I follow Hadith which I accept, I don’t accept the one you mentioned. I agree Jesus was sinless

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Anonymous #6 11h

How can someone be a Muslim before Gabriel ever handed revelation to humanity. There is far more to being Muslim than worshipping one god alone. Did he make Hijra? Did he recognize Muhammad as God’s prophet?

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Anonymous OP 10h

Do you follow bukhari or saheh Muslim? I swear Aisha narrated she was married at 6 and consummated at 9 did she get her Own age wrong. Let’s say she was 18/19 why would she be playing with dolls at that age?

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Anonymous chosen123 10h

I don’t trust Bukhari and Muslim wholesale. My reasons for rejecting each Hadith are not relevant to the conversation, but as you’d know already as an ex muslim you can reject this idea and it wouldn’t take you out of islam, so it doesn’t make sense to state it as a reason for leaving the religion

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Anonymous #6 10h

They called him rabbi or lord or yeshua and exactly my point there was no Muslims before Muhammad

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Anonymous #6 10h

The first Muslim was Adam. Like I said a Muslim is someone who submits their will to one god alone. Jesus worshipped one god alone making him a Muslim, the literal Arabic word for the worship of one god alone

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Anonymous OP 10h

Those are the top 2 most authentic hadiths that Sunni Muslims follow and did you know there’s different Qurans around the world right there’s a hafs version and warsh version and many more. Isn’t there 10 ahrufs different dialects you can read the Quran. The meaning slightly changes but the overall message is the same. They burned the original Quran than many years later compiled a single Quran and passed it out. What’s up with Muhammad and the satanic verses where he worships satan

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Anonymous chosen123 10h

If I call you Horse does that mean that’s what you are? What if I call you a bed? Are you a bed now? Did you forget the conversation we had about Abraham and Moses and Jesus

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Anonymous OP 10h

So then all Rastafari, Sikhs, Jews, and Zoroastrians are now actually Muslims then

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Anonymous chosen123 10h

I’m not interested in what Sunni Muslims follow. Yes there are 10 dialects which don’t change the meaning or the content or the context. There are even many different interpretations you can take from a single word in the Quran and most can be accepted. The Quran was preserved orally. Can you tell me is there a way to burn something that has been memorised? The Quran’s were burnt yes by one of the khalifas after the prophet but this doesn’t disprove or prove anything.

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Anonymous chosen123 10h

I know nothing about any satanic verses, please show me I’m very open minded

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Anonymous chosen123 10h

We also have the Quran from the time of prophet and comparing it to today’s Quran there is no difference. Which is clear evidence for the preservation

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Anonymous OP 10h

The "Satanic Verses" refer to an alleged incident where Prophet Muhammad mistakenly uttered verses suggested by Satan, rather than God, while reciting Surah 53 (An-Najm) in the Quran, temporarily validating three pre-Islamic pagan goddesses. Found in early Islamic traditions (such as those by al-Tabari and Ibn Ishaq), the verses were later withdrawn and replaced, with Muhammad stating that Satan had deceived him

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Anonymous #6 10h

Idk I can look into them maybe, what I know is that Jesus definitely worshipped one god alone and was therefore a Muslim

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Anonymous OP 10h

So do all of those other ppl tho. One God and one alone

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Anonymous chosen123 10h

Alleged by who? Whoever it is I will be rejecting the Hadith so there’s no problem here for me 😊

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Anonymous chosen123 10h

Such a belief would go against the Quran and my first and foremost category for checking a Hadith for validity is whether it contradicts the Quran. This one clearly contradicts the Quran so I can without question reject it

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Anonymous #6 10h

I don’t have a problem with you saying that

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Anonymous #6 10h

Since you already accepted that Jesus was a Muslim

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Anonymous OP 10h

Well I guess if you’re consistent then sure why not. If Jesus is a Muslim then so are all the Jews and other strict monotheists of the world. I’ll take it

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Anonymous OP 10h

I can’t debate someone who doesn’t even recognize their own Hadith and picks and chooses what they wanna deny or not. Everything about Muhammad is in the Hadith. The Quran barely mentions Muhammad. So you’re barely going to find anything. If you don’t accept your own hadiths how can I talk to you about the trinity. If you don’t even believe your hadiths and reject them of course you’ll reject the life of Jesus Christ ❤️ you just pick and choose what you want to believe.

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Anonymous #6 10h

Rastafarian is quick to reveal itself because it deifies Selassie, not monotheism. The rest for now I have no knowledge of except Judaism who’s prophet Moses I believe in but their obvious issue is that they reject Jesus and Mohammed

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Anonymous chosen123 10h

Why can’t you debate with me? Because I can’t be trapped by your tricks? Even a Sunni Muslim can reject the Hadith you’ve mentioned because they’ve all been weak narrations as I said they contradict the Quran which is the first category to check for all Muslims

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Anonymous chosen123 10h

This is a conversation about God. You’re trying to say God is 3 in 1 but you can’t prove it. The bible teaches us to worship only 1 god. Jesus worshipped only 1 god. Your problems with Muhammed are not real problems you’re facing as a Muslim you’re just getting frustrated you can’t trap me

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Anonymous chosen123 10h

Your book is the bible, you can’t show your belief from your book. I can show you all my core beliefs from the Quran without Hadith

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Anonymous OP 10h

You never responded about Aisha’s age where she narrated her own age. How did you get 18/19 and what I mean about Muhammad gets what he wants is when he desires something Allah will reveal a verse and he would say it’s okay for me to do it. For example when he was sleeping with his concubine he got caught and his wife told his other wife Aisha what happened and Muhammad said I won’t do it again don’t tell Aisha and he comes back and says Allah said it’s okay for me to have sex with her.

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Anonymous chosen123 10h

I don’t pick and choose myself I’m just a layman. I follow those more knowledgeable than me who spend their lives researching the authenticity of Hadith. You’re not an authority on me over them. So I’ll take their interpretations over yours

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Anonymous chosen123 10h

I responded by saying that I reject the Hadith. Aisha was 18/19 based on the age of her older sister. Idk what story that is or where you have got it from, provide evidence and let’s have a look.

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Anonymous OP 10h

The Quran itself has messages that talk about war jihad and killing Jews and Christian’s it talks about weddings and talks about the prophets. Being Muslim is doing what Muhammad did to a tea he’s the best human being right a role model for all nations. Has more wives than anybody has concubines sleeps with a 9 year old is cool with non believers until he gets an army in madinah to fight the non believers and force them to convert. He was a rich prophet not poor like people make it seem.

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Anonymous OP 10h

You are denying basic hadiths bukhari and sahi Muslim are the biggest and most accepting Hadiths. You wouldn’t know how to be a Muslim without the Hadith.

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Anonymous OP 10h

Why don’t you look it up and find out how much of a perfect prophet you had who didn’t sin or get every need he possibly wanted desired. You heard of the people drinking his urine and him saying you’ll never be sick again and people collectively collecting his sweat and using it on themselves look all these up

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Anonymous OP 10h

Traditional Hadith, specifically in Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, state that Aisha (ra) was 6 years old when married and 9 when the marriage was consummated. You reject this Hadith because you even know that sounds disgusting and immoral so you refuse to believe it it’s okay you can remain hidden and not knowing all this because they don’t teach you you gotta look for it

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Anonymous OP 10h

Umm Ayman (Barakah): She was a servant of the Prophet who reportedly drank his urine from a wooden bowl he kept under his bed for use at night. According to the narration, when she told him, he smiled and said she would never suffer from stomach pain again. Anas ibn Malik's Well: One narration mentions that the Prophet once urinated into a well in his house. Anas later reported that the well water became exceptionally "cool and sweet" and was served to guests.

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Anonymous chosen123 10h

Muslim means submitter to God. Islam means submission. Quran talks about this and teaches you to defend yourself. He spent 12 years preaching to the people to worship 1 god alone while they persecuted him relentlessly and treated him in the worst way until eventually attempting to assassinate him. He stayed true to his message.

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Anonymous chosen123 10h

Do you know how the prophet treated his wives? Do you know the wives of the prophet? Please don’t take something you don’t know anything about and turn it into something perverted

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Anonymous chosen123 10h

Whoever claims the prophet slept with a 9 year old is misguided sadly

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Anonymous OP 10h

I know he was unattracted to one of his wives and didn’t want to see her anymore because she was either chubby or old and she told the prophet you don’t have to see me and just stayed married with me. Muhammad liked his adopted sons wife and he ended up marrying her cuz he was attracted to her that’s messed up taking your adopted sons wife cuz you simply like her ?

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Anonymous chosen123 10h

It’s not possible to force someone to convert. You’re again talking out of context. No answer for Christianity or your current belief of who God is but you find these small issues that don’t make a difference to the core belief in Islam but accept these major issues with Christianity

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Anonymous OP 9h

I know it’s a hard pill to swallow and before the internet became a thing it was agreed on that age than recently they tried changing her age trying to not show that she was 9. Usually Muslims rebuttal and say Rebecca was 3 but no where does it say it in the bible.

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Anonymous chosen123 9h

The prophet was rich yes of course in his later years, I wouldn’t claim otherwise. His family was rich also. He was humble with it 😉, the best of mankind Alhamdulliah

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Anonymous OP 9h

The Three Choices: According to Hadith, when engaging non-Muslims, Muslims were instructed to first offer conversion. If refused, they were offered to pay Jizya. If they refused to pay, they would be fought.

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Anonymous chosen123 9h

I don’t care what the Sunni opinion is of Bukhari and Muslim. I told you I am not a Sunni Muslim. I have my own Hadith which I accept, including some from Bukhari and Muslim. I do not accept wholeheartedly any book except the Quran

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Anonymous chosen123 9h

Yes I’ve heard all this disgusting stuff absolutely. I find it shocking and revolting and I wholeheartedly reject those stories about my prophet سلا الله عليه و أليهي وسلم (peace and blessings be upon him)

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Anonymous chosen123 9h

Who would you tell this to if you found it in your own books 😂😂😂😂😂😂. Imagine how you’d feel if the bible said this. You’d hide it and not want anyone to bring it up. I’ve seen Muslims get very angry when these things are mentioned because they consider you insulting the prophet when their own book says it. But it’s not my book sadly for your argument

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Anonymous chosen123 9h

According to which Hadith is this 😂😂😂 reminds of me a Hadith I know which is even worse for the Sunni Muslims but I can’t give you ammo against my brothers 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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Anonymous OP 9h

A lot of Muslims say this about Rebecca I think it’s in the Talmud but I heard it has all kinds of weird things haven’t read it myself and I’m not insulting the prophet I’m reading as it says. Good talk brother I appreciate you teaching me some things and I pray for you wish you the best! I know where I need more research and studying to do. No disrespect to your religion or prophets. I’m just showing you things they wouldn’t show or tell you I found out all these things after I converted

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Anonymous chosen123 9h

My good friend I have a lot of respect for you. You never came across disrespectful, I can be abit short sometimes 😂. I don’t mean disrespect either, like I explained Jesus to me is a Prophet of God whose life and teachings I love to study. The same as I do with all the prophets. I’d honestly suggest you to reflect on your belief of god and the trinity and study the oneness of god in Islam

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Anonymous chosen123 9h

There are many books you can find on tawheed and remember to always use the necessary being as a filter for what can be God and what is deviated. A necessary being has always existed, relies on nothing, no contingencies, only one, beyond space and time. God must logically fit this checklist for the claim to be potentially true

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Anonymous OP 9h

Inshallah brother being a ex Muslim I wasn’t devout and knew the basics didn’t branch out too devout. But coming to Jesus Christ I’ve turned most of my life around still working on one thing. Jesus Christ was able to change my mind and intentions and he helped me with suicidal thoughts for me becoming Christian was the move I feel Gods presence and will continue to grow. I didn’t have anyone teach me kinda learning on my own. I don’t see myself going back to Islam after I’ve felt Jesus Christ.

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Anonymous chosen123 9h

I was hoping you’d agree that you’d hide it so I can bring up Rebecca. I was also certain you’d have no answer for this even though you brought it up in the Hadith. But you leave Islam and go to Christianity even though you believed both teach this? Crazy

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Anonymous OP 9h

I believe in the bible Old Testament and New Testament but I am under the covenant of Jesus Christ and he didn’t come to get rid of the laws but fulfill it. Good thing the bible doesnt mention it and I don’t believe in the Talmud and the Quran doesn’t mention it either but Hadith does. But if we’re going off strictly holy books it doesn’t mention the specific age of Aisha. But I do believe in the Hadiths especially the major 2. I need more knowledge before I ever try to share the message.

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Anonymous chosen123 9h

Yes to fulfil the original message by all the prophets before him. John 16:7 Jesus tells us he will send an advocate after him, someone after him who will continue to preach the same message to worship 1 god alone

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Anonymous OP 9h

You think the bible is corrupted so technically you can’t use verses from it lmao but good talk!

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Anonymous chosen123 9h

It is good the bible doesn’t specify her age directly. But the bible does say Samuel 15:3 to kill women and children and infants. It teaches that if a man grapes a woman then he marries her. It teaches to keep “ young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves”

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Anonymous chosen123 9h

I believe the bible is corrupted. You don’t. I’m refuting your claim that the bible is preserved. The same way that I have used the bible to build my argument that Jesus was Muslim, even though I believe the bible is corrupted

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Anonymous chosen123 8h

Brings me back to a question you asked earlier about how I know what is corrupted. The answer ties in beautifully with Hadith. I know that the the Quran is the word of God. So I use the Quran as a sieve. If it contradicts the Quran then I reject it. I of course don’t have the knowledge to make these determinations myself. So I follow someone and trust them to make the decisions for me

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Anonymous OP 8h

What bible you reading ? 1 Samuel 15:3 is a biblical passage where God commands King Saul, via the prophet Samuel, to completely destroy the Amalekites—men, women, children, and livestock—as divine judgment for their past hostility against Israel they were specific people that went against Israel God knows what we don’t so if he says kill women and children because they were against Israel than only God knows why. Who knows better me or God. Just like how he flooded the earth with Noah

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Anonymous chosen123 8h

Granting you the benefit in this clear corruption of the text, let’s go with your version. Children are innocent how can you order to kill children? Where is the justice?

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Anonymous OP 8h

Amalekites is the descendants of the Nephilims, the race of giants, hybrid offspring of the fallen angels and human mothers from the account of Genesis 6:4. Therefore, consists of pure abomination in the sight of God, worthy of total destruction and elimination. The information about this is found at Numbers 13:29. Thus the command of God.

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Anonymous chosen123 8h

Are you justifying the murder of children?

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Anonymous OP 8h

If it’s Gods divine plan than yes because obviously we don’t know what God knows and specifically they were giants so leaving there kind wouldn’t help the reason God wants them destroyed. Millions of Children die everyday and you can’t blame God. Death is part of life and children go to heaven.

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Anonymous chosen123 8h

What about the bible saying in Ezekiel 18:20 that children will not bear the guilt of the parent?

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Anonymous chosen123 8h

How does the references you gave prove they are descendants of giants? I don’t see the connection. Not that it addresses the moral argument anyway

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Anonymous chosen123 8h

Children dying is not the same as god ordering man to kill children. You said your god is loving and just. Where’s the justice?

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Anonymous OP 8h

You have totally read this wrong! God is only destroying a seed of evil doers in Isaiah 14 their children will follow in their footsteps, God is purging the earth of wickedness as he will do again, in Ezekiel men were not always following their fathers evil example but making a change wanting righteousness in the land as God's children do today a call for repentance and reformation for all the evil done in the land from many other fathers, read the scriptures correctly! that's the poison

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Anonymous OP 8h

God is just and has a reason for everything. He knows what we don’t understand and killing a bloodline of amakalites was nesscsry because they were wicked and eating children and sacrificing them. Just like God flooded the earth and kept only Noah’s family alive because everyone else was corruot and wicked

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Anonymous chosen123 4h

But the children haven’t done anything, they are innocent of the sins of their fathers. How can you justly kill an innocent child?

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Anonymous OP 4h

When a whole type of specific people that are a curse who is demonic even there children there bloodline if God has to get rid of them then God will and isn’t Allah the same God as the Jews ? Isn’t Allah doing that ?

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Anonymous chosen123 4h

My god is just. He does not punish me for the sin of Adam, as I cannot be held accountable for the sins of my father. My God doesn’t need to kill Jesus in order to forgive me, because crucifying someone else for my sin is not just. My God fits the categories of a necessary being but yours does not

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Anonymous OP 4h

You keep bringing up all the prophets were Muslim and worshiped one God and that one God according to you is Allah. Didn’t Allah reveal the Torah and Gospel so Allah sent down the Torah which is Allahs original message before picking Muhammad and completely changing the message. Allah allowed an innocent person to get crucified instead of Jesus ? Who was the person that was crucified than that the Jews couldn’t tell if it was actually Jesus or not. Did Jesus magically raise from the dead

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Anonymous OP 3h

How can Jesuses decoy raise from the dead and have 500 witnesses. If the disciples met the resurrection of Jesus how is that wrong ? And Adam’s actions caused a curse upon us humans until Jesus came. He got rid of that sin and all sins for us. We are no longer under that curse Jesus broke it. How did Jesus know he would be betrayed and die way before it happened? He kept saying it. He knew his purpose all along.

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Anonymous chosen123 3h

Allah is the Arabic word for God. Arab Christians call their Christian God Allah. Yes Allah sent Moses with the Torah and Jesus with the Injeel. Their original message was as every prophet before them, worship one god alone. Their original message crucifixion didn’t happen, nobody was sacrificed. You have zero evidence for the crucifixion. Give me an eye witness account that the crucifixion happened.

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Anonymous chosen123 3h

You don’t have 500 witnesses. You have 1 person claiming that there were 500 witnesses. Name 1 of the 500.

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Anonymous chosen123 3h

Your explanation of the original sin doesn’t make the contradiction go away. You’re believing in yourself deserving punishment for the sin of Adam but there is no justice in that. And there is no justice in Jesus dying for those sins either

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Anonymous OP 3h

Like I said for the wages of sin is death Paul explains in great detail in Romans 5:12-19 that sin entered the world through Adam. Adam's sin brought death and condemnation to every one of us. We all die, which is a direct consequence of our own sin that separates us from God. Through Adam's disobedience, we were all made sinners. Until Jesus came to free us.

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Anonymous chosen123 1h

Paul is anonymous. He is not an authority. You’re just repeating the same belief which further cements the contradiction and the injustice

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Anonymous OP 1h

Paul is better than Muhammad what do you Mean he had no authority he was a apostle

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