Anonymous OP 5d

Right, I’ve been encountering alot of people who think the appropriate response to racism is hatred of the other race

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Anonymous #1 5d

Like people saying that hating white people is a good thing

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Anonymous #1 5d

Horrible

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Anonymous #1 5d

The reparations stuff is buggin me to cuz wtfym I OWE you? I don’t OWE anyone anything, not a black person not a white person. I especially don’t owe you for something that you and I never went through. Ppl love saying “your ancestors” to white people but don’t want to talk about how the vast majority of America have absolutely zero link to slavery, hell my family didn’t even come here til ww2 so Tfym I OWE you

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Anonymous #4 5d

😐 who is “yall” boo it’s literally the DEFINITION

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Anonymous OP 5d

“yall” as in the ppl who feel the need to mention this when this doesn’t change the history of who has been oppressed in this country

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i’m aware it’s true but this is obvious. when has anyone from any race or culture been immune to being racist?

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Anonymous #4 5d

No one said it does? It’s not an excuse to be racist tho…like being racist in return isn’t doing anything but segregating themselves…something black people fought to abolish…bsffr we can’t change anything if we keep biting each others heads off

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Ah okay so you aren’t willing to listen to reason, cool. You’re part of the problem btw

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Anonymous OP 5d

no shit, but i’m not saying to bite each other’s heads off. i’m saying to recognize on a broader level, this doesn’t erase history or the structural context of a society. when there is a race that largely dominates and has historically used laws and practices that have exploited other races, this contributes to the current state of racism. racism isn’t created in a vacuum.

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Anonymous #4 5d

No one is saying anythin to deny any of that 😐

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Anonymous #4 5d

The thing is there actually is a recent trend saying that POC cannot be racist by definition because they think “punching up” is justified

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Anonymous OP 5d

well you never said anything to confirm any of that either. i’m just leaving a reminder that this shit is not as simple as a dictionary definition.

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Anonymous #4 5d

The history that is being denied or not talked about is how slavery and racism were NOT started by white people. Africans sold other Africans into slavery within themselves and within the world. That’s how slaves ended up coming to America, they were sold. And no one wants to mention how small the percentage of white slave owners actually was.

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Anonymous OP 5d

And slavery/racism existed well before America was even founded.

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Anonymous OP 5d

okay so we’re not doing slavery denial rn. this is exactly why i brought my comment up.

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Anonymous #4 5d

I’m not denying it, it very much happened. That can’t be erased. What I’m saying is white people are blamed for the creation of slavery and racism which isn’t true in the least

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Anonymous #4 5d

White slaves existed in the Roman Empire for far longer than black slaves existed in America

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Anonymous OP 5d

some africans sold captives but europeans turned it into a global, race-based system that shipped over 12 million africans and built western wealth. africans didn’t create hereditary slavery or profit from it on that scale. about 30 percent of southern white households owned slaves, and the rest still benefited from the system. slavery was built and maintained by white society, not traders. demand is needed for the supply, we know where the demand came from.

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Anonymous #1 5d

the romans had slavery for a long time except it wasn’t about race. they enslaved people from all over after wars or for debt, not because of skin color. american slavery was different because it was based on race, passed down through generations, and built on the idea that black people were inferior. that kind of system created a lasting racial hierarchy that still affects society today, so comparing it to roman slavery doesn’t really make sense.

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Anonymous OP 5d

if you’re gonna bring up claims then you better be prepared to stand on it with actual facts. what happened to “no one was denying that”? now all of a sudden you wanna make excuses for history?

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Anonymous #4 5d

I know the differences, but my question honestly is: how long can you continue to use the racial slavery as a crutch? I mean, of course we can’t skip time but like… how many years have to go by before you accept that it’s “done and over with”? We already had a black president for example. I’m Italian, you may look at me think im white privileged, but I grew up in an abusive home and went into foster care. Plus, my ancestors didn’t get here til 1920s, and Italians got discriminated against.

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Anonymous #1 5d

2050? 200 years of reparations? I mean you could kick the clock forward until 1970s civil rights movement, but like, how long of a time needs to pass before you make peace with the past? Honest question so we can move forward instead of dwelling on past injustices.

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Anonymous #1 5d

slavery isn’t a “crutch” tho. it’s a foundation that shaped america’s economy, laws, and social hierarchies, and those effects didn’t disappear when it ended. wealth gaps, housing segregation, and policing disparities all trace back to policies that lasted long after slavery. having a black president doesn’t erase centuries of structural inequality any more than one success story fixes systemic issues.

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Anonymous #4 5d

🤦‍♀️ yes I am making excuses for history…by bringing in more history? I’m not making excuses, it’s fucked up either way, what I’m saying is you can’t make white people the sole blame of slavery and racism…like what? Bsffr rn

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Anonymous #1 5d

well you can’t build peace on denial. we’re not talking about 200 years of guilt, we’re talking about fixing systems that still create unequal outcomes right now. moving forward means addressing what caused and is continuing to sustain the damage. you can’t pretend that it’s already been healed because “it’s history”. the whole point of learning history is to learn and prevent the same things from happening.

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Anonymous #4 5d

You’re right you can’t, but you also can’t build peace by people who weren’t involved demanding reparations from people who were also not involved and most likely have no link to it which is another big issue rn

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Anonymous OP 5d

saying “bsffr” every time you don’t like to hear a legitimate historical fact doesn’t make it false. white europeans significantly influenced the african slave trade, this is something we all learned in history class. i’m not trying to guilt or blame every single white person, but trying to rewrite history isn’t how we handle explaining the current context of racism.

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Anonymous #4 5d

Hope you realize that the wealth inequality and social issues ongoing in the country today are more of a class issue and not based on race at this point. Also, life isn’t equal. You are never going to have “equal outcomes” in anything. Just accept that now, or else you will be disappointed forever.

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Anonymous OP 5d

well what do you want marginalized communities to do? just pretend generations of stolen wealth and discrimination don’t matter? reparations aren’t about guilt, they’re about repair. if some groups were systemically denied opportunities, fixing that isn’t punishment, it’s fairness. you can’t move forward by ignoring the damage.

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Anonymous #1 5d

race and class are deeply connected in america. black and brown people were locked out of wealth-building for generations through slavery, segregation, redlining, and job discrimination, which is why race still predicts poverty and incarceration rates today even when class is controlled for. no one’s asking for perfectly equal outcomes, just equal starting conditions and fair treatment. pretending it’s only about class ignores how race shaped who got to climb the ladder in the first place.

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Anonymous #4 5d

We ALL had generations of stolen wealth. If by marginalized communities you mean “the 99% working class” then yes. We need to fix things. But I plead you to understand this isn’t about race. We are all in this together. We got robbed by the elite. Most white people aren’t living in prosperity

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Anonymous #4 5d

Demand it of the government??? Like…the thing that has been around since America started??? The thing that made slavery ok???? The thing that’s trying to make slavery ok now??? Not the citizens who literally had nothing to do with it because the vast majority’s families didn’t even live here at the time???

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Anonymous #1 5d

we know most ppl struggle under economic inequality, but race still shapes who gets hit hardest and who has a safety net. the “elite” didn’t rob everyone equally bc black and indigenous ppl were stripped of land, wealth, and legal rights in ways white workers weren’t. white poverty is real, but white ppl also benefited from systems like the gi bill, housing access, and generational wealth that many POC were excluded from.

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Anonymous OP 5d

i mean that’s quite literally how reparations work… you know that right? it’s about the state taking responsibility for the systems it created and maintained, not about blaming individuals whose families weren’t here. if the government caused generational harm, then it’s on the government to repair it.

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Anonymous #4 5d

Black people can also benefit from gi bill and housing access…if you’re low income you qualify for low income housing (altho now that is becoming increasingly difficult because the housing economy is fucked up) and gi bill is literally just a military scholarship…you serve in the military you qualify for gi bill, the amount you get depends on where you go to school, how long you’ll be there, how long you were in the military (unless you’re a dependant then it depends on who you’re depending on)

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Anonymous OP 5d

Generational wealth is also a possibility for black people, yes it is a recent thing because of historical racial restrictions to poc (which no one is denying), but it is a thing now because there are successful/wealthy poc as well

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Anonymous OP 5d

Maybe 4 is trying to say that gi bill wasn’t available to black soldiers in ww2, I wouldn’t be surprised. A lot of black people weren’t able to get mortgages until the 1980s due to racial profiling at banks

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Anonymous #4 5d

Then why is it that every time I open my mouth about it on other apps I am being scolded for owing reparations myself, or other white people are being told off about owing reparations themselves, how come no one from what I’ve seen mentions that it’s the govt that owes it

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Anonymous OP 5d

correct but i’m talking about historically. when the gi bill and housing programs first started, black families were shut out by redlining and discrimination, even though the laws didn’t explicitly say “white only.” white families built wealth through those benefits while black families were denied the same chance. that gap didn’t just vanish because the rules eventually changed. anyone has access now but the damage from years ago still shapes who starts with what.

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Anonymous #1 5d

yes i am, good catch

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Anonymous #4 5d

Then I apologize, I must have read it wrong 🤦‍♀️ that’s one me for the misunderstanding.

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Anonymous OP 5d

maybe you’re just talking to the wrong people? most likely people speaking through emotion instead of how this is actually handled. it’s always been understood as government accountability, not random white people should cut personal checks. online conversations get heated and people vent at whoever’s in front of them, especially about this topic

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Anonymous #4 5d

Im hopin you’re right, it happens so much it just doesn’t rlly feel like it’s widely known that the government owes it and not the people, like I open threads and that’s all I see “white people owe this” “white people owe that” when the majority of our families didn’t even exist here, it’s exhausting And I don’t even know how my feed got to that point it was literally just bikers and goth/alternative women one day then the next day BOOM that 🥲 (quite literally, I shit you not ik it sounds made-

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Anonymous OP 5d

Up cuz the majority of spaces it’s “you make your algorithm” but I literally haven’t interacted with anything aside from bikers and goth/alternative women, aside from books)

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Anonymous OP 5d

Most likely an attempt to sow racial division amongst the people. As long as we are divided we can never stand united against the people who continue to rob us

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Anonymous #1 5d

hey amen to that

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Anonymous OP 5d

this is why discussions about racism need to be tread on lightly, we can have these conversations constructively without pointing the finger at everyone, making it seem like white people are the devil or that what POC experience isn’t deeply layered. there’s no point in that and it helps absolutely no one. we’re all one country of people wanting everyone to have a better life, that’s all

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Anonymous #4 5d

Amen dude 😭 a-fucking-men

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Anonymous OP 4d

no literally like my family immigrated here in the early 2000s but yeah sure its my fault 🤦‍♀️

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Anonymous OP 4d

this is a very very crazy take. yall upvote anything that makes u feel better about urself and then this is the mindset behind the post.

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Anonymous #4 4d

A lot of people say “black people can’t be racist” or “poc can’t be racist” or “you can’t be racist to white ppl” which isn’t true. Yet doesn’t stop some dumb ppl from saying it

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Anonymous OP 4d

there it is… knew I would find you telling on yourself if I checked the replies. “Black people are incapable of racism” is an extraordinarily rare take to begin with—you pretty clearly just harbor some weird defensive attitudes concerning race, and you made up a strawman as a means of seeking validation for those biases

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Anonymous #17 4d

See definition above

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Anonymous #16 4d

Rare? Babe open anything other than yikyak, threads is extremely popular for that phrase So many people say “black people cant be racist”, especially when it comes to white people you can find it anywhere even some of the comments here say it

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Anonymous OP 4d

In order for someone to be considered racist they have to fit into the 3P equation (Power Plus Prejudice)

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Anonymous #4 4d

well, guess what? i’m white and my family is poor asf. some of us have to pave our own way and that’s kind of part of life. stop being so sensitive and refuse to take initiative, responsibility, and accountability. why let the fact that your previous generations had no wealth keep you from gaining yours?

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Anonymous OP 4d

no, the closest claim that’s made with any real frequency is that white people don’t experience structural racism in the US, which is a fact. you’ve misrepresented that fact as people arguing that “Black people can’t be racist” because you wanna avoid being criticized for having a victim complex about race, either As a white person or on white folks’ behalf

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Anonymous #16 4d

No baby boy, that is not the closest thing. I’m not misinterpreting anything lmao 1/?

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Anonymous OP 4d

2/?

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Anonymous OP 4d

3/?

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Anonymous OP 4d

4/?

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Anonymous OP 4d

5/?

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Anonymous OP 4d

6/?

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Anonymous OP 4d

7/?

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Anonymous OP 4d

8/8

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Anonymous OP 4d

your head-up-own-ass rant about “slavery wasn’t started by white people” has made the perspective (or lack thereof, rather) behind your original post much more transparent than you seem to notice. get your shit together please

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Anonymous OP 4d

These are just a few examples, super easy to find

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Anonymous #16 4d

I have my shit together, you’re the one who doesn’t know what you’re talking about 🤣🤣

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Anonymous OP 4d

multiple of these screencaps are in fact specifying the “against white people” part, you really ought to consider reading them Before posting. you also might wanna take Statistics 101 if you think 6 screencaps off of Threads constitutes a common opinion

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Anonymous #16 4d

Most of…as in 2 of 8? That’s not most of 😐

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Anonymous #16 4d

There’s 8 there, you may wanna consider going back to first grade math since you cannot count, and again I said only a few examples, they are extremely easy to find as well

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Anonymous OP 4d

getting there! so close. give this one more try—I said “multiple of”, not “most of”, and 8 minus those two examples that specify whiteness would tend to equal 6. hope that helps

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Anonymous #16 4d

Extremely easy to find more examples, all you have to do is open your eyes. Hope that helps

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Anonymous #19 4d

Another key word: “typically” , not 100% all of the time…meaning yes, black people can be racist towards other races and themselves

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Anonymous OP 4d

Which is called Anti-blackness and also yes anybody can uphold prejudices but also they did not set that system up white ppl did. So people of color can not be racism towards white ppl if that is the conversation. Racism is not just saying stereotypes and slurs it is a system that is tied to economic structures as well

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Anonymous #11 4d

That is not racism

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Anonymous #21 4d

Please note that prejudice is the FIRST WORD in the definition

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Anonymous #18 4d

i never said white people can’t be poor. what i’m saying is it’s really unlikely that you’re poor because you’re white. there have been generations of laws and practices that stopped POC from building wealth just because of their race. you can’t say the same for white folks, specifically on a structural, nationwide level. no one is being “sensitive” or “letting the past hold them back”, the point is that the past still shapes the starting line today. that’s how we move forward.

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Anonymous #17 4d

systemic racism is what ur talking about. south africa literally proved ur whole argument wrong

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Anonymous #19 4d

systemic racism is yes. racism is not

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Anonymous #4 4d

If it’s so bad maybe try separating.

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Anonymous #4 4d

They are poor even when no white people are around .

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Anonymous #7 4d

Is it the fault of white Americans who did not immigrate?

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Anonymous #17 4d

Black have power too.

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Anonymous #19 4d

Do black people have zero influence on systems?

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Anonymous #19 4d

If this “system” existed white people would be the wealthiest ethnic group. They are not.

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Anonymous #21 4d

Blacks have zero power?

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Anonymous #19 4d

It is

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Anonymous #24 4d

So no and it’s black people and no thats not how racism works

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Anonymous #23 4d

So who made the system like put on your thinking cap because it wasn’t black people

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Anonymous #11 4d

Also you can look at group averages but there is no way to reason from a collective to an individual. That’s called the ecological fallacy. Thats why collective guilt is logically and morally dumb. It’s important to look at individual life experiences. And it is possible however less likely for a white person in a majority black area to experience a local system of racism.

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Anonymous #11 4d

Shut up this is actually stupid and if you actually read an actual book maybe you’d actually think critically instead of saying oh we should help all people no!! You know why the world is the way it is because of capitalism and white people handing out money to black and white isn’t the same because of the year of slavery and Jim Crow like

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Anonymous #11 4d

So they actually don’t and once again you do not know what racism is

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Anonymous #19 3d

So your are saying we shouldn’t help everyone?!? Also saying read a book isn’t argument at best it is a suggestion at worst it is a vailed appeal to authority. I don’t really care what word you use for I am talking about the substance and morality underneath. What do you specifically mean by racism? I can’t read your mind. Also if two people are suffering equally does it matter what caused their suffering? Shouldn’t we help them improve their life and reduce suffering? Just consider it

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Anonymous #11 3d

If two people are suffering yes the source of their suffering matters. But you’re saying this and making hypothetical situations instead of actually looking at the real world focusing on black and white situations are important because in the end of the day, it is not the same situation. Yes, everyone deals with poverty and that is something that exist amongst all races, however When it comes to Black people, there has always been a despairing wealth gap.

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Anonymous #19 3d

Of course you would read those

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