Anonymous #1 3d

Oh wait, no it’s not. It’s normal and a good thing to be supportive of other demographics

-5

Anonymous #1 3d

Being a Zionist doesn't mean supporting Jewish people...

22

Anonymous OP 3d

Please define Zionist then

0

Anonymous #1 3d

Like Zionism is the idea that Israel has the right to commit war crimes and genocide for sake of preserving a Jewish state. There's a reason why a lot of Jewish people aren't Zionists because it's literally not the same thing as just supporting Jewish people

17

Anonymous OP 3d

Bro that is not at all what Zionism means

1

Anonymous #1 3d

It's a Jewish nationalist movement...would you support a white nationalist movement?

11

Anonymous #1 3d

That is what it means lol Israel literally get a pass to do shit that no other country could do in the name of Zionism

8

Anonymous OP 3d

Wrong. Zionism just means the right to Jewish self determination in their homeland. It has nothing to do with war crimes in and of itself. You can be Zionist and still denounce actions of the Israeli government

-4

Anonymous #1 3d

You can't though because "in their homeland" means they can just kill everybody who already lives there that's not Israeli

9

Anonymous OP 3d

That’s not true at all. 1/4 of the population is not Jewish

4

Anonymous #1 3d

Read what I said and try responding again

6

Anonymous OP 3d

And even if that wasnt the case, you’re making a massive leap in logic from “place for Jews to live” to “kill everybody else”

5

Anonymous #1 3d

That's what they're doing...the homeland is somebody else's home and they're bombing and killing them for being there and have been for decades like have you been under a rock? I'm confused

6

Anonymous OP 3d

I’ll repeat myself from earlier. You can believe in the right to a Jewish homeland while also denouncing actions of the Israeli government.

4

Anonymous #1 3d

You said "in their homeland". Their homeland is someone else's homeland. You can't say you believe they have a right to self determination in their homeland and in the same breath say you don't agree with them being in their homeland lol if they're literally took houses from people who already live there and are killing the rest in the name of having their homeland be their own, then you support that if you believe in their right to self determination in their homeland

5

Anonymous #1 3d

You cant have self determination in somebody else's home that's not how it works. So you displace at best and starve, kill, and strip human rights at worse. Israel did both.

1

Anonymous #1 3d

Actually let me ask, how do you suggest Israel would have self determination in the land that was Palestine before the 1940s if not through displacement and murder?

6

Anonymous OP 3d

Im more focused on solving the current issue than trying to rewrite history. The fact of the matter is more than 80% of Israelis were born there. They have as much of a right to the land as anybody else. The solution would obviously be for everyone to live there in peace. How do we get to that? Nobody knows or else that would’ve been achieved by now

6

Anonymous #1 3d

if I broke into your house and stole it but let you stay there (you actually can't leave, as many Gazans can't because they don't have passports or an airport or citizenship anywhere) and I start a whole 3 generation family in your home and we starve you disable you and strip you of your rights and dignity and say "80% of the people in this house were born here. Let's live in peace instead of rewriting history" as we continue to starve and beat you, would that be a reasonable thing for meto say?

7

Anonymous OP 3d

Starving and beating is never ok. But yea I’d say it would be unreasonable to kick out your grandchildren who were born there

1

Anonymous OP 3d

Also keep in mind a large part of the reason Gazans can’t leave is because all the neighboring Arab countries refuse to let them in

1

Anonymous #1 3d

Insane take lol I get why you're a Zionist

12

Anonymous OP 3d

So what’s would be your solution then? You don’t want them in the house they were born in, what do you supposed we do with them?

2

Calling the majority of an entire country’s population “comically evil” when you’ve probably never even met 1 is just xenophobic

1

Anonymous #1 3d

They go somewhere else where there's not a starving limbless guy locked in the basement or in the very least call the police and get their grandparents and whoever else in their family is complicit thrown in jail for the crimes they've committed because otherwise *they too are complicit and active participants in those crimes*. You don't get to just sit there and say "well darn that's not nice" and still voluntarily sign up to go kill more people and be considered the good guy in that situation

2

Anonymous #1 3d

What's even crazier though is zionists don't even say "well darn that's not nice" they act like they're entitled and nitrous for doing what they do

3

Anonymous #1 3d

A lot of them probably don't leave because they don't have legs but idk that's just a guess

1

Anonymous #1 3d

Zionism is literally a settler colonial ideology based on the ethnic cleansing of Palestine to form a new european nation

-1

Anonymous OP 3d

Your analogy is breaking down big time and I have no clue what you’re even trying to say at this point

1

Anonymous #3 3d

Calling an Asian country a European nation is goofy af

5

Anonymous #1 3d

It's not though and I'm not sure how you don't know what I'm trying to say

5

Anonymous OP 3d

Quadruple amputees locked in basements? You’re losing the plot

-1

Anonymous #1 3d

You think quadruple amputee is an analogy? It's not. That's the part that's actually representative of what's happening in Gaza, there are a lot of para/quadriplegics as a resilt of being BOMBED for a year, many of whom are children. If you have to paint it as ridiculous when's it's reality because you can't justify it, then maybe that's a tell that you should reflect on your views

1

Anonymous OP 3d

I don’t really understand why you think you can tell people what their own beliefs mean

-1

Anonymous #4 3d

Zionism has always been a settler colonial ideology, literally the entire world knows that, this conversation is absurd lmao

2

Anonymous #4 3d

This is like if someone called themself a Nazi, and we said “thats a genocidal ideology” and some other idiot says “you cant tell people what their own beliefs mean”

2

Anonymous #4 3d

In the same way, everyone knows zionism is a genocidal settler colonial ideology

3

Anonymous #4 3d

Because we have seen the direct results of their “beliefs”. Oppression, assault, murder, r*pe, and genocide

5

Anonymous #4 3d

Well it's easy to do so when it's a political ideology and you can see how it manifests

4

Anonymous OP 3d

I am an incel and zionism is just another fun contrarian ideology to add to my arsenal. I also have some Israeli ancestry and it's epic watching them defend their rightful land from the actual colonizers while the soys scream big tiktok words that do nothing.

-1

Anonymous #5 3d

It also makes me somewhat unique because anti-semitism is strangely common in incel spaces and that was one thing that pushed me away from them. I just do my own thing now and don't subscribe to any set system.

-1

Anonymous #5 3d

Zionist incel, that tracks lmao

1

Anonymous #3 3d

Does it? Look back at my second comment

0