Anonymous #1 5w

So a few things: 1.) you do realize that people are allowed to have sex with people they know and like, and there's not an obligation to have sex with strangers from the street right? 2.) even if you did feel so inclined to have sex with a stranger off the street, contraceptives exist 3.) and most importantly, what does this have to do with morals or self respect?

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Anonymous #1 5w

Why are you getting downvoted we got creeps over here

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Anonymous #2 5w

You can do whatever you want lol but choosing to have sex or not have sex is not a thing relating to morals or self respect

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Anonymous OP 5w

Choosing who you want to have sex with is most definitely related to self respect

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Anonymous #2 5w

Did you read the post or are you just talking?

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Anonymous #2 5w

beats me

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Anonymous #2 5w

Don't just downvote, respond. Does the post say anything at all about choosing who you have sex with or is it a binary between girls who don't have sex and girls who do have sex?

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Anonymous OP 5w

1. I’m aware, but don’t choose to do that myself. 2. Contraceptives are not a guarantee against pregnancy. Someone missed sex ed. 3. self respect regarding your own body’s health and safety

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Anonymous #1 5w

I guess by your logic if I go in public that means I have no self respect because there's always a potential risk of a health and safety risk

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Anonymous OP 5w

You’re so ragebaiting me right now

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Anonymous #1 5w

I'm not. You literally just said having sex means you don't have self respect because there are health and safety risks, did you not?

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Anonymous OP 5w

I said not having sex relates to having relatively more respect for your body’s health and safety by avoiding things like infection, disease and pregnancy

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Anonymous #1 5w

So ignorant the fact that there are safe guards to avoid infection, disease, and pregnancy while still having sex, by this same logic, do you think healthcare professionals don't have respect for their bodies since every day they voluntarily go into a building full of sick people with ample opportunity to catch debilitating or even deadly diseases?

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Anonymous OP 5w

Sounds like you’re the one putting words in my mouth! <3

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Anonymous #1 5w

No, I'm not. I'm asking you your thoughts. Tell me how if the basis of self respect is avoiding bodily harm from infection or disease, why does that logic apply to nothing except sex for you?

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Anonymous OP 5w

THATS NOT THE BASIS OF SELF RESPECT. Your question was SPECIFICALLY related to sex. I’m answering your question so don’t complain.

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Anonymous #1 5w

I asked what sex has to do with self respect. You said it's related to self respect because you can get infections and diseases if you have sex, and if you don't have sex, you have more self respect because you're avoiding infection and disease. I'm asking if that's your belief, why doesn't it apply to hospital workers or pre-k teachers or people who go to gatherings during flu season? Why do you only conflate bodily health with self respect when it comes to sex? Or is that a made up reason?

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Anonymous #1 5w

Therefore, someone may cite self respect as the reason they abstain from sexual intercourse and in this case, I imagine that self respect to relate to their body and who they choose to share that with.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Can you please read? This conversation deserves no more of my effort

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Anonymous #1 5w

You just said a different thing. Avoiding infection and disease is not the same as being careful about who you share your body with. And having sex doesn't mean you're not careful about who you share your body with. So in the context of this post, even if I only consider your new rationale, how is being careful of who you have sex with a lack of self respect because you can be a person who has sex still do that

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Anonymous #3 5w

What does this post say about casual sex?

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Anonymous OP 5w

Refusing to have sex

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Anonymous OP 5w

I believe it’s only good for procreation.

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Anonymous #3 5w

I'm gonna ask again, what does this post say about casual sex?

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Anonymous OP 5w

Are you interested in conversation or are you going to keep repeating semantics in the original post

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Anonymous OP 5w

The people who say they don’t have sex because of moral reasons are talking about not having casual sex outside of marriage

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Anonymous #3 5w

It's not semantics. Either prepare a response to what was actually said or talk to yourself lol there's no point in me engaging in conversation with someone who makes up talking points to respond to

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Anonymous OP 5w

Ok; which women specially are saying they don’t have sex? Which of those women are specifically saying that they have “self respect and morals” in context of whether they have sex or not (this implication is implied via the “sorry”)

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Anonymous OP 5w

They are defining their morals as being opposed to casual sex. This is implied when you ask if they “have sex”. Because recreational and casual sex is a separate issue from reproductive sex. They have chosen to follow a specific moral stance that opposes recreational and more typically casual sex in general.

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Anonymous #3 5w

Women who don't have sex say they don't have sex and the women I'm talking about are saying it in the context of whether they have sex or not lol what are you looking for, a name drop?

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Anonymous #3 5w

I don't ask anything and it's generally not a matter of recreational vs reproductive sex, hence the post saying "are you catholic" because most of them are not and recreational vs reproductive is not the point of opposition

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Anonymous OP 5w

Okay cool? “Women who don’t have sex say they don’t have sex!” And the “women who do have sex say they do have sex!” What about it?

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Anonymous #3 5w

Exactly. What about it lol you literally just asked me "which women specifically are saying they don't have sex" and I responded saying women who don't have sex say they don't have sex. I don't understand the point of your comment lol I literally just answered the question you asked

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Anonymous OP 5w

Well I genuinely don’t understand your entire point. I’m not religious and I’m against casual sex with strangers and I’m also against masturbation. I don’t know what Catholicism or religion has to do with this

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Anonymous OP 5w

So what’s the point of your post?

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Anonymous OP 5w

Are you asking why someone who says they don’t have sex adds the “sorry I have self respect and morals” onto the “not having sex” bit?

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Anonymous #3 5w

Well I mean it's very obvious what Catholicism would have to do with it if you know anything about Catholicism. But you're a good person to ask since you're not catholic. Why do the people mentioned in this post associate not having sex with having higher morality and self respect?

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Anonymous #3 5w

Yes

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Anonymous OP 5w

If you view sex as sacred, you don’t want to just needlessly exploit your own body for pleasure. You want to share those special moments with someone you have a strong connection with. It’s the same reason why some people believe that watching porn is bad. It’s not about religion, it’s about believing in sacred sexual connection. Masturbation is also looked down upon in many non religious circles (the male nofap community in particular) some people care about body counts, etc

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Anonymous OP 5w

Having sex outside of a committed relationship (casual sex) is typically defined by numerous short term partners which raises your body count and means that sex is more of a careless activity.

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Anonymous #3 5w

Okay but again my question is what does that have to do with morals and self respect? To me that just sounds like personal preference

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Anonymous #3 5w

Not everyone who has sex is having sex outside of a committed relationship and not everyone who has sex outside of a committed relationship has had multiple sexual partners or hasn't necessarily even had any short term partners

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Anonymous OP 5w

Well, morals and self respect ARE a personal preference. Some peoples morals involves political affiliations, economic beliefs, driving versus biking, etc. If you view “Morals” or “Superior Morals” as an objective monolith, that just isn’t true. “Morals” and “self respect” is just a subjection way to describe your own personal preferences. That’s the point.

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Anonymous #3 5w

Okay but like no, morals and self respect are words with definitions and neither of those definitions is personal preference. My question is how does any of this relate to morals or self respect? What are the morals in question that make you feel more moral as a virgin than you would feel having sex with your partner, and why does having sex go against those morals?

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Anonymous OP 5w

If you’re asking why people who claim to not have sex are “looking down” on people who do have sex, that’s just people being arrogant and condemning others for not sharing the same moral values. Let’s say I ride a bicycle everywhere to help the planet; that doesn’t mean that I think everyone is driving diesel pickup trucks. Not does it mean that I think you are “morally inferior” to me just because you drive a car.

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Anonymous #3 5w

Okay so now you're mostly getting my point from the original post, but I am still curious, what is the moral that makes having sex go against your morals?

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Anonymous #3 5w

Definition of morals “a person's standards of behavior or beliefs concerning what is and is not acceptable for them to do.” Personal preferences; “an individual's subjective liking or disliking of something, based on their own unique tastes, experiences, and values. It's a personal opinion or inclination towards one option over another”

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Anonymous OP 5w

I already said the sacredness of sex means that I don’t want to defile my own body by sleeping with strangers and I’m also morally against drugs and dopamine loops. I don’t want to hijack my brain with pleasure. The moral against sex could simply be the fact that sex is a distraction from my other goals.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Replace “having sex” with “smoking pot, vaping nicotine, drinking beer, watching shorts” it doesn’t really matter. The point is that those are all things I refuse to do on moral principles. And that’s my own personal preference, with no requirement in religion.

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Anonymous #3 5w

That's the most neutral definition of morals out there, and for sake of your argument, yes that's a good definition to use. But also I could pull up 20 definitions that all relate to ethics, conscientiousness, good or bad character, etc, and in the tone of "I don't do X because I have morals and self respect", there's very obviously an air of judgement so the most neutral definition is not suitable in the context of the post

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Anonymous #3 5w

Okay but also like again for probably the 10th time this post doesn't say anything about having sex with strangers, it's literally about women who don't have sex feeling a sense of moral superiority over women who do have sex, whether it be committed or not.

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Anonymous OP 5w

I’m 25 years old and I have never seen of, whether online or in person, EVER, of a single person ever stating that they refuse to have sex within a committed relationship AND claiming to be morally superior. So, I disagree that this is some emerging issue where we have “gotten to the point of…” I have only ever seen people say they refuse to have casual sex, and yes those people can be arrogant about it. Because people are a holes.

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Anonymous #3 5w

You've never heard of anyone waiting for marriage?

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Anonymous OP 5w

If you’re staying holdfast on the “Women who refuse to have sex (even within a committed relationship!!) I would like to ask again for specifics (whom???) because I have zero reason to believe these people exist

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Anonymous OP 5w

Marriage is a committed relationship. That’s what I’ve been saying!! Sex outside of marriage IS casual sex

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Anonymous #3 5w

We just inherently disagree on these definitions then lol like are you arguing that if you're engaged with someone or on a path to getting married, you're not in a committed relationship and it's casual? That doesn't make any sense. And even if you do think that, you literally just said there are people who think sex without the intent of reproduction is immoral so like yeah there are married people refusing to have sex who think they're morally better

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Anonymous #3 5w

Like by your logic if someone is married and divorced 3 times, they're more moral and more committed in their several short term relationships than someone who's engaged to their hs sweetheart that they've been in a relationship with for 10 years and that's the only person they've dated. It's ridiculous lol

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Anonymous OP 5w

Well, some people think a lot of crazy shit and believe stupid stuff all the time. You’d have to ask them. Personally I only have sex with the intent on conception; and I know I’m a weirdo for that. But whatever; people will always be a-holes. I mean; why do some vegans think they’re morally superior? Because they think killing animals for meat is amoral. I’m done

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Anonymous OP 5w

Well; I don’t believe in marriage as a legal contract. I’m genuinely only want to have sex if we’re planning on having a baby together. And I’ve only ever dated two people in my life.

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Anonymous #3 5w

I mean sure but still you just said all relationships are casual unless you're married and I just don't buy that

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