Anonymous #1 12w

Restrict soon to be parents as much as they wanna restrict women’s bodies and choices. It takes 2 to make a baby. And tests should range from like financials, emotional intelligence, genetic predispositions, and psychological competence. Just to name a few. These kind of restrictions would ACTUALLY save and improve life’s I feel.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Lives*^

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Anonymous #1 12w

That feels like a major breech of rights that has the potential to be heavily exploited

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Anonymous #4 12w

It has to be a better plan than letting anyone and everyone take home babies from the hospital into possibly unsafe conditions or abusive or neglectful environments

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Anonymous #1 12w

You’re putting a lot of trust in the government which seems like just as bad of a plan to me if not worse tbh. Unless you live in like Western Europe. At least those governments pretend to care.

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Anonymous #5 12w

So that’s called ✨population control✨ and is just another form of tyranny

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Anonymous #4 12w

call it whatever you want babe. if you are STRUGGLING on your own you should not have children. i don’t care.

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Anonymous #5 12w

Agreed

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Anonymous #4 12w

A child should not be brought into a world where they will not be properly fed, clothed, sheltered, and loved. Children are expensive and need attention, you can’t be working three full time jobs to pay for their needs and neglecting them and you can’t be not working at all to give them love and letting them starve. If you don’t have the money and time and energy to raise a child, then you shouldn’t have a child

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Anonymous #5 12w

YOU SHOULD CARE. If you can't see how this idea is another slippery slope towards fascism, then the education system failed you. Who is gonna define the cutoff for such a point? who is going to continually adjust said cut off as the economy ebbs and flows? If your answer was politicians (only correct answer) then you are putting far far too much trust (and honestly, outright blind faith) in them. (1/2)

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Anonymous #1 12w

Please read what you just said. Everything you just pointed out is a problem caused by modern society and the way our economy currently is. It is not necessarily an individual issue. It is a social issue. Targeting the parents specifically will just harm far more people than it will help or potentially help. Instead of doing ACTUAL FASCISM and implementing population controls perhaps it would be a better idea to target the issues that would cause someone to have to work three jobs.

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Anonymous #5 12w

And I will agree that if you are struggling on your own, you are not in a good position to have children, however outright barring someone from being allowed to have them is fucking horrible. If anything a better way to tackle the issue is to give parents proper governmental support Instead of half measures. Required paid maternity/parental leave would be a great start.

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Anonymous #4 12w

It doesn’t matter if it’s a societal issue or an individual issue, if you cannot provide for yourself and a child, you do not need to have a child. Point blank

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Anonymous #1 12w

And I will agree on that sentiment. But as the saying goes, “the path to hell is often paved with good intentions”. And that stands true for every persons suggestions on how to solve this issue in this comment thread. It is blatantly, leaving the door open for someone even worse to come along and exploit it.

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Anonymous #4 12w

While I agree with the idea of required paid m/paternity leave, along with other benefits for children that allow them to have a better life, in the current state of things, I doubt that will happen. And people can’t seem to grasp the concept of protection or birth control, doing things to at least attempt to prevent things, even if they’re not 100%. I still think mandated parenting classes and checks on financial and psychological stability should be required

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Anonymous #1 12w

I mean, look mate if you already (rightfully) doubt that government mandated paid parental leave will gonna happen, then You should really, REALLY, REALLLLLY, doubt that a reasonable and fair system for financial and psychological checks could happen. And don’t get me wrong, I do agree with the IDEA that the parents’ psyche should be evaluated to ensure they’re safe to be a parent. (1/2)

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Anonymous #4 12w

you cannot be real bro lol. i’ll say it again. I DO NOT CARE! if you’re not able to financially support a child you should not have one. but yes continue to send your paragraphs about fascism.

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Anonymous #1 12w

Honestly, the only part that I can comfortably agree with would be mandated parental classes. As long as they’re free, accessible and there’s a national baseline standard (that’s not barebones) then I could fully support that. Financials and Psyche evals are too much of a slippery slope imo to realistically trust the people in power to handle. There’s also the issue of getting people to do these jobs. Look at how underpaid, stretched thin, slightly corrupt, and ineffective social workers are.

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Anonymous #5 12w

So you would rather full send it, consequences be damned?

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Anonymous #4 12w

You could make it that you have to fill out finiacial paperwork like you might if you were filling out something like aid, and have the psyche evals being done by licensed professionals, the same way they would be if you’d already lost your kids to CPS. Have a limited number of absences for the classes

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Anonymous #1 12w

While on paper I agree that could probably work. In practice I’m not so confident. The government should have income records on everyone (if they’re paying their taxes) so that shouldn’t be an issue. the psychologist thing would be an issue of finding enough people to be able to cover the population. And that also ties into the problem of accessibility. For high population zones you’re gonna need up a high concentration of psychologists able to do the work. (1/2)

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Anonymous #1 12w

For rural communities, you would need to find a way to have an even distribution so that travel distance wouldn’t be too terrible of an issue. Not everyone has reliable transportation, unfortunately. Less of an issue when you’re in a city, but if you’re out in the sticks, you’re kind of fucked without a vehicle. And we would have that same issue with parental education (density and convenient location).

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Anonymous #4 12w

Bro do you understand this is not actually happening. Go touch some grass or something.

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Anonymous #1 12w

So more babies to foster care?

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Anonymous OP 12w

I’m doing a little something called critical thinking. It’s an important skill that many people seem to ignore more and more every day. Every suggestion that’s been offered Seems like a brilliant idea on paper. But sometimes you have to dig deeper and reveal the ugly side of things. It’s important for people to realize when critical thinking is required. And it’s even more important to know what ideas should be thought critically about.

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Anonymous #7 12w

Thank fuck someone else is thinking critically here

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Anonymous #4 12w

Ight lil bruh this isn’t law class. It’s an app for hypotheticals. Chillax and learn to not take everything so serious

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Anonymous OP 12w

I have no clue where you got law class from? Anyways, I think you need to go back to grade school “lil bruh”. Your reading comprehension needs some work. Because you apparently missed the entire point of my last comment XD

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Anonymous #4 12w

Not that it matters, as this is not a serious forum, but I actually have a bachelors degree in intelligence analysis and am currently pursuing a masters degree. While I can appreciate your enthusiasm for debating, I have to say that you are very over dramatic. If you were so focused on critically thinking, maybe you would understand that im not asking for you to write entire essays in my comment section. You should spend more energy focusing on serious matters if you want to do this much

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Anonymous OP 12w

lil bruh

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Anonymous OP 12w

Cool. I have an AA in sociology and Im currently wrapping up my BA in History. I’ll agree some of my earlier messages were definitely a tad dramatic, and I could’ve taken a better approach to it. I would hardly call a hand full of paragraphs “entire essays”. And I don’t care whether or not you asked. Posting your thoughts inherently opens the door to conversation about them. Why post if not to invite discourse over the subject?

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Anonymous OP 12w

And honestly, who’s to say I’m not putting more energy to more serious matters? After all, we’re just two random strangers on the Internet. we know nothing about each other outside of this conversation. anyways, the so-called “entire essays” are really easy to “type” with speech to text.

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Anonymous #4 12w

I agree that it does open up an invitation to debate. However, I believe you had begun to get a little aggressive or rather overly defensive on your side of the topic. Not everybody has to agree with you, whether you believe you’re right or wrong. You say you don’t care, yet got angry when another person told you the same thing. Do you see what I mean? I made this post because I wanted to see people’s opinions, not because I wanted full arguments happening over a hypothetical topic of discussion

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