Anonymous #1 15h

It was about the constitution prohibiting more than two terms more so than Trump, I like talking about presidents man ☹️

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Anonymous averagewhiskeyconsumer 15h

OHH i thought u were just saying it to change the subject to a diff president (sorry too many ppl do this 😭) but all good!!

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Anonymous #1 15h

Man I got to school an hour early to memorize every president in 9th grade 😭 term years and all

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Anonymous averagewhiskeyconsumer 15h

is it just for fun or do you also like the political history of it? bc i get that bc i think it’s so interesting how much each president- even if they’re seemingly “irrelevant”- has completely reshaped the country

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Anonymous #1 15h

Yes I do know at least one thing about each president. I used to be a poli sci major but never kept it because I kept boring over the judicial and legislative (not in terms of important; they’re important) I just really hyper focused on the executive. Cause at least for me, the 45 men to hold the presidency are for better for worse, the 45 most important people in the countries history. Some can argue they’re not but in terms of power, they are.

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Anonymous #1 15h

I just think it’s important to understand the leaders in this country and who they are, mostly as president but even who they were before and after, to better form opinions about them. Whenever people need : want to rank them etc, just being informed

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Anonymous #1 15h

Come back I was deep into the convo ☹️

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Anonymous averagewhiskeyconsumer 15h

thats true and i see that point but the only thing about the power ranking is that there’s always people above the president- the people that control them and get them in office. for example, the people that donate to their campaigns, who they know, who has blackmail on them etc. but obviously in terms of the final say the president has the authority, but they’re influenced by ppl “higher up” in terms of elite status

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Anonymous averagewhiskeyconsumer 15h

NOO DW I WAS WRITING A LONG REPLY

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Anonymous #1 15h

I can understand the thought process of a big hidden NWO and yes I can agree with some of it, when looking through history there have definitely been instances Modern and YEARS ago of influence. I still think it’s important to understand who we’re talking about because at the end of the day. If you throw a puppet master colored glasses on, it diminishes any success that President may have had. Especially if the narrative they want the worst all the time, because there have been presidents who

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Anonymous #1 15h

Have done really good things. But I also understand we can’t under realize thr amount of influence super packs have and the damage they cause (recently especially) I do personally thing some shady stuff goes on politically and even influences presidential candidates on both sides and maybe even a few presidents. But I’m still at least hopefully it hasn’t been all 45. I think some are more correctable by others and by greed however

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Anonymous averagewhiskeyconsumer 15h

yes i completely agree! especially if we’re talking about the earliest presidents (really early global leaders in general), and i think not knowing about someone’s power and influence leads some to assume they have more of it than they actually do- similar concept to how we lied to japan about the atomic bomb, making them assume the worst. but i do want to believe that there was at least some point in time where it was mostly not corrupt. but then again that’s unlikely given the social—

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Anonymous #1 15h

injustices early presidents had helped reinforce (slavery, women’s rights, ethnic cleansing of native americans, japanese american incarceration etc.). and ik those are highlights of the worst but because it’s happened throughout a long period of time and continuously, it can make people think differently of all branches of the government and esp the president. but there were many who were seemingly just and made positive impacts on the country

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Anonymous #1 14h

I can absolutely agree with what the overall message is of these people have done horrible things throughout the country so how can we support them, but also we have to realize social norms were different back then (100% not defending) but we have to keep in mind, if we’re to assess them we have to do it through the way they lived. You can absolutely detest what they did to the Japanese Americans. Native Americans and especially the African American slaves, as chattle slavery is objectively one

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Anonymous #1 14h

Of if not the worst forms of slavery, which is something we can’t ignore.

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Anonymous #1 14h

And when it comes to current politics I thing a huge number of the issues stem from Trump, I still do have faith in the system however, I really truly do believe even if it’s rose tinted glasses. The man Trump is, he’s an egotistical narcissist who simply wants the spotlight and the reason majority of republicans follow him is out of fear of being black balled from the party. I am hoping things can return to an ounce of normalcy after he’s gone, but I also understand I myself can be naive to th

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Anonymous #1 14h

These things. But again, I understand the bad earlier presidents have done, I just don’t rate them based on 20/20 vision, that’s not a way to get an accurate reading on what was actually done for the country or America itself as a whole. However I can still acknowledge the bad and abhorrent behavior. We all try to be objective but I myself can acknowledge my biases of ranking from their times and not 20/20

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Anonymous #1 14h

I think ranking of 20/20 vision is harmful because it downplays things usually, when people view something one way very extremely, people tend to brush it off as “it’s bad, there’s nothing more to talk about” when context, even if truly bad, is still important

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Anonymous averagewhiskeyconsumer 14h

yeah i get that and the time period does matter it’s just for me i cant really see past some of those things completely because of the long last effects they have. but that isn’t to say that they weren’t impactful- that actually does prove their power which is part of your point as well. and i think that knowing the presidents and their policies and what happened behind the scenes is beneficial to dive into (one of my fav rabbit holes is the jfk presidency)

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Anonymous averagewhiskeyconsumer 14h

that’s very true context is bad and to be fair, the time period does matter and some of them may genuinely not have seen any problem with what was happening only because it was just “the way it is” at the time, so i agree with that

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Anonymous #1 14h

What you just mentioned is absolutely true, you can’t look past those cause of the lasting impact. That’s absolutely true. When you look at Andrew Johnson, assumed president after the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, he did at least 150 years worth of damage to the African American community with his relaxed approach to reconstruction and his unwillingness to push boundaries. Those are things you cannot ignore. You absolutely have to criticize the absolute egg that man laid in that. He’s object

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Anonymous #1 14h

Ivly a bottom 3 president. But yes they’re still president and powerful. Thats why it’s important to know who these 45 men are, they’re extremely important and critical to understanding what this country was, is and can be. That’s why it’s important to not brush things off as some do in recent times or hyper focus on one issue that may not be entirely true to get a point across. America has entered a divot in its current political stage of cultural one upissisms to try and use gotcha moments to

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Anonymous #1 14h

Gain popularity instead of trying to fix things and it’s concerning, because yes, we can move forward but the road gets bumpier and more chaotic due to it

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Anonymous #1 14h

Also to side touch on the last part. We’re prob in agreement 100% on jfk lol not much to talk on there

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Anonymous averagewhiskeyconsumer 14h

yeah but he’s just my fav president to go on deep dives about especially with his new frontier admin and also the whole reason behind his assassination which is lowkey not rlly obvious to most people. but yeah johnson is definitely bottom theee 😂 and you’re correct that we can never hyper fixate, and that in doing so we are actually hindering progress

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Anonymous #1 14h

Yeah it’s a whole interesting debate, but I can understand the rabbit whole. Things get really really spicy after WW2 and especially jfk getting elected. There were cracks in things before but it def picks up after that.

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Anonymous #1 14h

And yes his assassination was really really fascinating in terms of the Warren commission and their findings and then later accounts with a new investigation in the late 70s

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Anonymous averagewhiskeyconsumer 14h

yess and i LOVE historical docs and war movies for that reason. it gets so interesting after, especially how the presidents helped build the country back up after wwii and the social effects of it- like women in the workforce and then the population boom. it kind of all ties everything together when you think about it, and it’s even more amplified when you look at the impact of one decision a leader can make that affects a generation

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Anonymous #1 14h

I have not much to say based on your answer, other than you have undoubtedly cooked with it. Everything you said is true in this answer so I do not have much to add in response. As it would be like a broken record

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Anonymous averagewhiskeyconsumer 14h

ahh tyy you cooked too this was such a good conversation and productive too

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