Anonymous #1 1d

ohh!!! you’re so right!! the children dying and being raped need to do more!!

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Anonymous OP 1d

It's out of your control, why be depressed about it. Worry about your own life

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Anonymous #1 1d

because i care about the children??

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Anonymous #1 1d

Can you explain why children who’ve been raped or murdered or abused or have suffered horribly in any way are required to “do things” to be saved from their situations, as opposed to just being saved because they’re innocent children?

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Anonymous #3 1d

Not them. The ones praying. Quit taking what i say into your own personal narrative. Prayer doesn't work with just thoughts, you still have to do things. If you want to hate on me go for it. Acting as if prayer itself will fix every little thing that is wrong in world is your problem, not mine.

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Thank goodness i'm not, ive seen Christians be worse than a drug dealer.

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Anonymous #4 23h

if he created everything i believe he has a moral obligation to care about everything

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i grew up Christian, i only comment on things i’m educated about

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Anonymous OP 19h

Oh? God has this obligation from where?

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Anonymous #4 19h

from the Bible’s own description of him, Psalm 145:9 says ‘the LORD is good to all’ and his mercy is over everything he created; 1 John 4:8 says ‘God is love’; 1 Peter 5:7 says he cares for us; and Psalm 34:17 says he hears people who cry out and delivers them, i’m judging the Christian God according to the characteristics Christianity assigns to him

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Anonymous OP 19h

Good, glad we’re on the same page. Now how do you know that God doesn’t listen to their prayers?

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Anonymous #4 19h

because they’re raped and murdered

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Anonymous OP 19h

The Bible also calls us to action to care for those kids. God can use us to answer their prayers. I work in non-profit. Why not us?

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Anonymous OP 19h

In fact I work with immigrants who come into this country and I believe God loves them dearly despite this corrupt world and uses me to love them.

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Anonymous OP 19h

God literally tells people not to do that kind of stuff. The verses you gave prove this too. It’s not loving to rape and murder people obviously.

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Anonymous #4 19h

because if he’s really all powerful and all good kids wouldn’t get raped to begin with

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Anonymous #4 19h

you’re answering why humans do evil and why humans should help, i’m asking why an all-knowing, all-powerful, perfectly loving God allows the harm to happen when he could prevent it, saying ‘God uses us’ doesn’t explain the children nobody reaches in time

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Anonymous OP 19h

Is it all good to take everyone’s ability to choose away?

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Anonymous #4 19h

God can allow us to have free will and still not allow children to be killed and raped

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Anonymous OP 19h

The same way we choose good, people choose bad unfortunately. You choose to be mad at God, and God is still not striking you down, isn’t that not good? Are you just looking for immediate action against other people’s stuff?

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Anonymous OP 19h

Explain how God can allow free will while preventing sin

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Anonymous OP 19h

We live in a fallen world. However, how can God allow for free will while preventing sin at the same time? I am looking forward to your explanation.

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Anonymous #4 19h

hes omnipotent, preventing the consequence of a choice doesn’t eliminate the ability to make the choice, someone can freely choose to shoot a child and God could make the gun jam, and Genesis 20:6 literally has God say ‘I have kept you from sinning… I did not let you touch her.’ your own Bible depicts God preventing human actions, so free will clearly doesn’t require total nonintervention

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Anonymous #4 19h

i already responded

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Anonymous OP 18h

Given the context of that chapter I think you’re misusing that verse. God certainly informed Abimelech, but God never actually stopped Abimelech. I’d read the preceding verses in context.

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Anonymous #4 18h

the context actually supports my point, Genesis 20:4 says Abimelech had not touched her, and in 20:6 God explicitly explains why: ‘I kept you from sinning against me… I did not let you touch her.’ whether God accomplished that through the dream/warning or another means doesn’t change the point, God intervened and prevented the act while Abimelech still retained free will, that’s exactly what I’m saying God could do in other case

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Anonymous OP 18h

In Genesis chapter 20, God never prevented Abimelech from doing. God simply sent Abimelech a warning. Abimelech still had a choice. In the same sense, many Christians (not myself) who support genocide and fund the atrocities you describe, have been already warned by scripture and look what they do.

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Anonymous #4 18h

but that’s literally not what the verse says lol, God says ‘I kept you from sinning against me’ and ‘I did not let you touch her.’ so the Bible itself gives an example of God intervening to stop someone from carrying out harm without erasing their ability to make choices, and that brings me back to my original post, if God can intervene like that, why does he not intervene when children are praying while being raped, murdered, bombed, etc.? saying ‘free will’ doesn’t really answer that

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Anonymous OP 18h

Yes it does make a difference, God kept Abimelech from sinning by the warning dream. God didn’t “prevent” Abimelech from sinning. I’d even look and see what is really meant in the Hebrew version of Genesis 20:6 into the wooden English.

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Anonymous OP 18h

Also, it was never explicitly mentioned why Abimelech did not touch Sarah. God sent Abimelech a warning dream before Abimelech had the opportunity.

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Anonymous #4 18h

the word used literally means to withhold/restrain/keep someone from doing something, the verse says God ‘kept’ Abimelech from sinning and ‘did not let’ him touch her, even if the dream was the method God used, that still means God intervened and prevented the harm while Abimelech still had free will, which is literally my original point 😭 if God can intervene like that without destroying free will, why doesn’t he do that when children are praying while being raped, murdered, bombed, etc.?

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Anonymous OP 18h

See that’s the problem you’re reading it too literal. The entirety of scripture shows that this is not God’s nature. Fundamentalist reading is always a pipeline to atheism.

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Anonymous OP 18h

Include the verses before it

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Anonymous OP 18h

God sent the warning the same very night Abimelech sent for Sarah. So again, not a literal prevention, God just made sure Abimelech was fully informed before sinning.

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Anonymous #4 18h

the verses beforehand don’t discredit the scripture i showed, i looked back at the hebrew, used different scriptures to ask my questions, expressed why im confused, and you guys are always like “just read your Bible” and i obviously do, its like you have a completely different understanding of the world, you guys never actually answer my questions

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Anonymous OP 18h

Also, God kept Abimelech from sinning by using the dream. In the same sense, we have scripture to keep us from sinning but we still do it anyways. God gave us conscience to tell us murder is wrong, to prevent us from sinning, but despite the preventative measure, we still sin anyways. Abimelech chose not to sin with the information he was given. Again, scripture wasn’t fully fleshed out then either, so that preventative measure did not exist.

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Anonymous OP 18h

I did answer, I just don’t think we look things the same. God can put preventative measures in place against sin, but that doesn’t prevent sin. It’s like wearing a squat belt, but that still doesn’t prevent back injuries.

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Anonymous OP 18h

And the whole reason still exists is not because of God’s capacity, but because of our choice to sin even despite preventative measures that God placed for us. That’s how jarringly messed up free will can be.

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