Anonymous mother_russia 2w

I don’t think you understand how many times I’ve talked to men that complained about it while they were actively perpetuating it. The only men I have met that actually do shit about it haven’t cared about generalized statements using “men” as the term, because they understand it is in fact a majority of men that are at least complicit with sexual violence and rape.

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Anonymous mother_russia 2w

Based on a study of college men, at least 1/3 of men had admitted to raping a woman or that they would, with only half of those men recognizing those actions as rape itself. This wasn’t even asking about harassment or assault, just rape. It wasn’t even asking about being complicit. Still 1/3 of men admitted that.

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Anonymous mother_russia 2w

So saying majority of men are at LEAST complicit in the sexual abuse of women, is really not up for debate. Yes a woman can be sexist, yes misandrists can exist, no OP’s post is not part of that 💀

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If it’s something that is statistically small group of women do, like cheating, that’s applied to every woman, sexist 👍. If it’s something that a majority group of women do, like having long hair, stereotype or generalization (which have their time and place to be used). Rape isn’t just a handful of assholes, it’s a systemic thing AND a cultural thing that is so deeply ingrained into “manhood” which is part of the huge problem.

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I mean, I would disagree because women truly do commit so much less crime. I don’t believe it’s a biological thing but how we’ve been raising children and encouraging behaviors and especially with the separation of boys and girls at such a young age and forcing them into those cultural separations. Like there are definitely evil women but we’ve been producing a lot more evil men

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I have the belief that no one is born evil, even if they are born a sociopath or any other condition that limits their emotional range, and so there must be something we are doing that is causing the disparity in actions between men and women. Some people blame it on testosterone but the newer studies on testosterone show it really just emphasizes already existing characteristics and hierarchies (which is super cool and I recommend reading those studies)

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Yes I do know those statistics and the estimated number for those that are too afraid to report. It’s still only half of what women’s is. Majority of rapes aren’t violent with brute force to begin with so the disparity in physical prowess doesn’t account for the disparity in perpetration.

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A good example would be child sexual abuse. Adults are stronger than children, yet men commit sexual abuse against children at higher rates (we aren’t going by conviction rates because those skew towards men and women are less likely to be convicted), any woman wanting to overpower a child could, so why is men’s still higher? And why are little girls still the most common victims?

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So you’re saying we just aren’t given the same chances to be evil and that’s why we commit less crimes… wouldn’t that go to prove the point that men are socialized in a way that allows them to commit more violence?

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So the media does protect men a lot too by using that same phrasing or things like “young woman” to describe a 12 year old girl. But it is harder to get a woman convicted of sexual abuse against a man or boy, which is something feminists address and advocate for quite often to try and help. Which is why I said we weren’t going by conviction rates since women aren’t convicted as often when they committed the crime

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The conviction rates for any sexual abuse is atrocious though. It’s extremely difficult to punish people for it in the USA.

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So the same applies to women, sexual abuse for anyone is THE MOST under reported crime in all of the USA. All of the estimates are just educated guesses of what we think it is based on other statistics we can access.

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So your argument is that the desire to commit abuse is equal among men and women, but men just have more access to it therefore they do it more. So what about morticians? Why is it that so many men have been found sexually abusing the corpses so many places only hire women because they /dont/

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The men and women are given equal power and the corpse can’t fight back at all, yet men do it so much more. Why?

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Also men are mass shooters WAY more often and commit armed assault, murder with a weapon, etc. at much higher rates than women despite women being just as “strong” with a gun, vehicle, etc. so shouldn’t women be committing it just as often if it was purely because women are weaker that they aren’t committing these crimes?

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So if men are predisposed to be more sexually aroused, and are predisposed to be stronger, and that’s why they commit more evil things more often… you’re saying men are predisposed to commit more crimes and hurt more people but they aren’t more evil.

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But it’s also not like all of these women morticians have zero sex drive and that’s why they aren’t sexually abusing the corpses, having a higher sex drive doesn’t make someone suddenly sexually attracted to a corpse. Abuse is a psychological thing, the desire for it isn’t inherent to a person, it’s conditioned.

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So no I don’t believe that, but I’m following your personal logic to its conclusion and verifying if that’s what you believe. I’ve stated why I believe and am asking you questions about what you believe

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It’s my understanding that you believe the disparity in violence committed by men is because of inherent physical differences in men and women and then the added social standing of men allowing them to have more power and to abuse it. Am I wrong?

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Abuse and specifically sexual abuse isn’t just a dumb action made when someone is horny. I think that’s the biggest problem in how you’re approaching this whole situation. Like people do evil things on accident or on a whim. It’s no accident that rapes are so common, that men abuse children so much more (again not on conviction rates), that men shoot people so much more, that men are mass shooters so much more, etc. it’s not just conviction disparity that men do these things so much more often

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Your whole idea is based on the assumption that women would do the same things if they were able to, but you truly can’t prove that at all. There isn’t any available data that would back that up either. Your whole stance is literally just the assumption women must want to do all the things that men have done to abuse others, but then ignore all the times women have been given the chance to be just as abusive and don’t.

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There are significantly more women that are teachers yet men are still committing sexual abuse at MUCH higher rates (again not conviction based), so if it was truly based off of the ability to commit a crime, women should be committing it much more than men or a very least equally. But that’s not what’s happening.

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I’ve listened to what you have to say but it’s not based in fact, just your assumptions that can be proven. Where as mine are based in studies around psychology of abuse and violence (that prove it’s a nurtured thing, not inherent) and that people are evil when we train them to be evil.

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Dude what???? I’m not saying anything about the payment of teachers or guilting men for not being teachers. You’re really going off the rails on some of your points, because that’s not at all relevant 💀

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Also you just said that because of societal pressures, men resort to a life of crime, wouldn’t that be proving MY point? Society is making people do bad things?

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So drugging would still be rape, so why isn’t that happening at the same rates? Why are men drugging women more often than woman are drugging men???? Also that’s not at all what I was saying.

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I honestly don’t even know which comments you are trying to reply to anymore because they are so disconnected from the points I’ve been making

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You literally are saying that women are just as evil and would commit the same amount of crimes that men did if they were in the same spot as men 💀 you said that is literally your point. So yes, you are in fact, saying women do desire these things and would commit the same crimes if given the chance. In your own words.

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I’m genuinely not twisting anything I am following your logic to its conclusion. It doesn’t seem like you have followed your logic through.

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I can provide all of the statistics if you genuinely want them. I didn’t think you would be interested in actually reading the studies so I have not provided them. I regularly read up on the statistics for abuse for everyone, including young boys and men, so I can provide all of these statistics.

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I have been referencing studies which you could easily look up if you want to verify my claims, but you have not been referencing any kind of study or scientific reasoning, just claims that women WOULD do the same

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It’s really funny how you believe that you’ve been reasonable when you can’t provide anything that could potentially back up your claims, but keep trying to poke holes when I am able to give you valid examples that don’t fit into your narrative. You aren’t actually having an intellectual debate, you’re just trying to criticize. (I also have made it clear that men have been committing evil way more often than women but I don’t believe it’s inherent to men)

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Your argument is that yes men are committing evil at much higher rates, but women are just as evil because they would potentially commit the same amount if given the chance and that men are predisposed to committing that much more evil, but that doesn’t make them more evil…?

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I do want to point out that I have never once in this conversation said that men are inherently evil, or that women are inherently less evil. Or even that men are just evil in general. You are the one that’s been saying that and using those words.

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You’ve also been very condescending throughout this conversation, despite knowing less about the topic. You’ve used dismissive language about the perpetrators of violence, but then whined when I called you out for you calling sexual abuse a “dumb decision”. You’ve never asked for any of the statistics when I’ve been referencing them, didn’t look them up either I assume, and only cared about me not directly quoting them when I criticized your lack of foundation for your belief.

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So if you think that YOU are the one here that’s been having a reasonable conversation against their better judgment… It would be your second time being wrong today 😂

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Anonymous #2 2w

Mfs think every bs they yap is rule of law. Sybau ho😂

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Anonymous OP 2w

damn… highly thought-provoking & insightful retort! you’ve built a stellar case for your claim, you could be a lawyer

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Anonymous #2 2w

Type shit😂

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