Anonymous carlsantana 20h

Why?

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Anonymous OP 20h

Power dynamics

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Anonymous carlsantana 19h

that’s true if we’re talking about black people’s attitudes towards white people, but lateral racism exists like, while obviously Asian, Latino and Indigenous American people don’t experience antiblackness, they do still each face their own unique forms of systemic race-based oppression. it’s still possible for marginalized demographics to perpetuate racism against one another

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Anonymous carlsantana 19h

Doesn’t change that anyone can be racist

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Anonymous #2 18h

I disagree, I think black people can also still be racist towards white people, not in a systemic fashion, but still.

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Anonymous OP 18h

Not true at all

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Anonymous carlsantana 18h

You still haven’t given me an answer on what you mean. Are you saying black people can just not be racist at all?

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Anonymous OP 18h

Don’t need to. You know it’s not true

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Anonymous carlsantana 18h

And yet, the majority of the racism I have faced came from black people. I don’t know it being true, because everyone is equally capable of racism

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Anonymous carlsantana 18h

It's true because it's true. This guys logic 😂

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Anonymous OP 18h

Oh no your feelings. Imagine that but it being systematic. Can you really compare the two

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Anonymous carlsantana 18h

I’ve lived the systematic racism. And I’ve also been harassed and assaulted for it. This isn’t a comparison. It’s saying everyone is capable of prejudice and racism

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Anonymous #4 18h

Nah everyone can. I’m just rage baiting bro. I do think the implications are different depending on the race though and power dynamic

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Anonymous carlsantana 18h

yeah this is the correct take

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Anonymous OP 17h

black people are capable of harboring biases against white people, but since white people don’t experience systemic racism, that bias is an oppressed demographic reacting to the lived experience of oppression even the most fervently antiracist white person is still part of a demographic that has the upper hand in terms of power relations. so it waters down the word to describe a black person’s bias against white people as “racism” when that’s also the word we use for racialized oppression

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Anonymous #2 17h

Why are you assuming that the bias or racism exercised is against white people? Are those the only two races possible to be categorized as?

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Anonymous OP 17h

like I get what you’re saying in the sense that it’s possible to *act* on that bias at an individual level in a manner that’s still harmful. but that’s just a problem with the limitations of language. it’s ultimately kind of insulting to pretend that individual bias against an oppressor should be referred to with the same term as the one that describes state-sanctioned racialized violence

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Anonymous #2 17h

You’re still in the same logic of which you think I’m speaking from the perspective of a white person. I’m not. I have had no hand historically in oppressing black people within this country, nor has my race. Why then, is my experience of facing said racism and discrimination invalid because it happens on an individual basis?

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Anonymous OP 17h

are you pretending you can’t read now? my very first comment explicitly mentioned Asian, Latino and Indigenous American people. you replied specifically to the part about the dynamic between white people and black people, so that’s what I responded to you about

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Anonymous #2 17h

You replied to a different person, not me. Yes, I still agree that on an individual level no one is exempt from performing an act of racism. Whether that be a reaction to generational acts of racial violence or otherwise.

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Anonymous OP 17h

if you were approaching this conversation from a place of earnest interest in interpersonal ethics then you wouldn’t have felt the need to pull such an obviously inapplicable “oh yeah? well how come-“ type of retort. so you’ve made it obvious by now that your post was just a result of your own racial grievances

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Anonymous OP 17h

right, so the fact that I was responding to a different user means suddenly you can’t read the contents of the comment well enough to notice that at no point was I pretending black and white are the only races in existence? grow up lmao

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Anonymous #2 17h

Didn’t get the notification, and it didn’t show up in the refresh. Maybe if you turned down the snark and high horsery, I’d consider this a conversation going anywhere to.

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Anonymous OP 17h

I assumed you were likely a white person because otherwise I’m not sure why you would be so invested in the idea that interpersonal bias against white people is a big deal interpersonal racism against people who Aren’t an oppressor demographic is still a Component of systemic racism. so if you aren’t white, interpersonal racism against you is objectively racism, full-stop. again, I did not at any point suggest that interpersonal racism against marginalized races was “invalid”

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Anonymous #2 17h

I’m sorry, I made a post about the fact that most people that I had spoken to, that happened to be black were indignant of the fact that they thought they simply couldn’t be racist. The post is about my own racial grievances, because that’s the experience I’ve faced. You come in and tell me that’s not possible on the same level because I might be of the oppressor class, that I’m not systematically oppressed. That it’s insulting to even call it racism because it’s not on a large enough scale.

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Anonymous OP 17h

now I’m supposed to believe that you don’t read comments before replying to them And that you were responding to a comment that wasn’t visible to you… interesting. at least we agree on the fact that no productive conversation would occur from this point

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Anonymous #2 17h

Considering the fact that you’ve childishly been downvoting every comment I make, I realised that quite early on

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Anonymous #2 17h

Great glad we agree on that, why this whole situation then? All I said was in my experience, this is what happened, and it’s a shame because everyone is capable of racism.

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Anonymous OP 17h

nope, already made it very clear that the only form of race-based interpersonal bias which is too inconsequential to be labeled as “racism” is the bias against white people, and that this is because in terms of racialized power relations, white people are the oppressor. you’re dealing with a literacy issue at this point

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Anonymous OP 17h

why “this whole situation”? you tell me bro, I’ve articulated every piece of my perspective on this quite clearly, meanwhile you’ve drastically misinterpreted me and then pretended you couldn’t read the same comment you were replying to

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Anonymous OP 17h

and like you said, I wasn’t even initially responding to you in particular… your post was singling out black people, and I responded to a black person just to say that it’s possible for black people to be racist against people who Aren’t white. that’s the position you felt the need to argue with. so yeah, why this whole situation?

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Anonymous #2 17h

The position I chose to argue is your opinion that any form of racism can become inconsequential because of the exclusionary race of the victim. That singles out the pattern of incidence as a necessary evil and is quite antithetical to any intersectional conversation you can even begin to have.

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Anonymous #2 17h

Honestly? I’d love to dm you on this topic, not sure how to

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Anonymous OP 17h

well no, my claim is simply that the word “racism” is inaccurate for describing interpersonal bias against white people, because white people are the oppressor demographic on the axis of race. not sure where you’re pulling the “necessary evil” talk from

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Anonymous #2 17h

Sure, what would you to describe it then?

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Anonymous OP 17h

are you kidding? why the hell would I want to DM with you? after you resorted to “uhhh I didn’t get the notification. the comment didn’t show up”, about the same comment you were responding to, rather than having the maturity to just say “my bad” when I pointed out to you that no, I was explicitly not reducing this convo to “black vs white”…? not a chance

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Anonymous #2 17h

Dude, I genuinely didn’t see your reply. My fucking bad.

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Anonymous OP 16h

we could agree on literally every other significant political & ethical issue and I would still not be interested in spending my time connecting one-on-one with someone so cowardly that they refused to acknowledge their own mistakes or admit to being wrong

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Anonymous #2 16h

Yeah. I’m sure that’s your issue. I admitted to my only mistake of not seeing your reply, I hope you have a good day.

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Anonymous OP 16h

the fact that you replied to it means that you obviously did see it. this is what I’m talking about. the lack of basic integrity is extremely off-putting

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Anonymous #2 16h

Dude, it fucking didn’t show up that way. It showed up to me as replying to carlsantana, I’m fucking sorry for this whole inconvenience but Jesus fucking Christ you are a pain in the ass.

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Anonymous OP 16h

uh-huh, so you thought you were replying “I disagree, I think black people can also still be racist against white people” to a comment that didn’t mention blackness or whiteness whatsoever?

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Anonymous #2 16h

To carl, who said Black people couldnt be racist, by citing power dynamics

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Anonymous OP 16h

what you’re saying is that you replied to the comment “power dynamics” by boiling the whole conversation down to exclusively black peoples and white people, right before you asked why *I* was acting like this was only a conversation about white people and black people. your commitment to playing obtuse and making nonsensical excuses is genuinely shocking at this point

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Anonymous OP 16h

there’s also the fact that you had already replied to them by the time you replied to my comment. it could not be any more apparent that you did in fact see my comment. I’m just curious how much further you’ll talk yourself in circles to avoid saying “okay, I lied because I was embarrassed”

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Anonymous #2 16h

But I didn’t? I’d replied to the previous one with him replying and saying “why” and then the second one talking about black people, because that’s what the post and what he was saying. I’m not lying because that’s what happened. Whether or not you choose to believe it, is entirely up to you and honestly, none of my business.

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Anonymous #2 16h

Moreover, carl and I had been discussing the matter on two separate threads with another one in between somewhere. I think the only one playing obsessively obtuse, nonsensical and frankly pointless, is you?

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Anonymous OP 16h

no, “doesn’t change that anyone can be racist” was already a visible reply when I entered the thread there had also been no mention of separating interpersonal racism from systemic racism before I commented, but then when you replied to me, you continued to differentiate between the two as I had done

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Anonymous #2 16h

There had been on a lower thread, and again. I’m not disagreeing with you in its entirety. The first top thread hadn’t been replied to at that point. I don’t disagree with all your points, in fact quite the opposite. But my reply was to carl at that point. If you thought otherwise and it was because of me, well I’m sorry.

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Anonymous OP 16h

like I said, at this point I’m just curious to see how much further you’ll bullshit yourself in circles to cushion your own ego. most people disengage once they’re caught in an obvious lie because they realize that stacking more lies on top makes them look bad! so it’s kind of entertaining

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Anonymous #2 16h

Dude genuinely, sure. Whatever.

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Anonymous OP 16h

see if you’d just said “when I read your first reply, I thought Carl was the one saying it” right off the bat instead of jumping all the way to “I didn’t see that comment at all (even though I replied to it directly and was clearly responding to its contents)” then that would’ve at least been understandable and believable but now it’s a little too late to attempt that pivot when you’ve dug your heels in so deep on committing to this lie

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Anonymous #2 16h

Because I didn’t see your comment? I had been replying to Carl, that comment was for carl. Not for you. I am sorry.

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Anonymous OP 16h

you replied to my comment and your reply was specifically About the contents of my comment, word-for-word. don’t apologize for “not seeing it”, apologize for pretending that you didn’t see it when you very obviously had. none of these lies have been remotely convincing

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Anonymous #2 16h

Dude genuinely, go fuck yourself. I didn’t see your comment. I genuinely fucking didn’t. I don’t care enough about this to convince you. You’re a vindictive person, and I hope you have a day. Genuinely.

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Anonymous OP 16h

“I don’t care enough about this to convince you” after a literal hour-plus of attempting to convince me is too funny. anyway, better a vindictive person than an unrepentant coward who lies so casually-and-frequently that they’re impossible to hold a coherent conversation with

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Anonymous #2 16h

🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous OP 13h

You two need to be on BLACKED

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Anonymous #5 13h

Dude blocked me🤷‍♀️

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