Environmental Baddies on Yik Yak | I’m so tired of trying to explain that if you are a vegan concerned about animal rights and the planet, then you have to acknowledge that honey from bees is a lot less damaging than imported agave syrup

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Environmental Baddies 6d

I’m so tired of trying to explain that if you are a vegan concerned about animal rights and the planet, then you have to acknowledge that honey from bees is a lot less damaging than imported agave syrup

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Anonymous 6d

Or that “vegan” leather is far more harmful to the environment than just buying leather goods secondhand

Anonymous 6d

And that plowing kills millions of animals per year, many plant farms use unpaid/underpaid labor, many vegan “superfoods” are terrible for the environment when farmed en masse, etc

Anonymous 5d

and i find that vegans often forget about the human labor that goes into making, manufacturing, and importing their fancy agave syrups and quinoa

Anonymous 5d

but fr, eating less meat can absolutely help the environment but substituting animal products for something like plastic rather than buying secondhand leather from an animal that’s already dead, exploiting child labor for some products, agave instead of honey, etc. isn’t helpful because overall it has such a worse impact on the environment

Anonymous 5d

veganism also isn’t a financial option for many people sadly

Anonymous 5d

came in here to add to the conversation and completely forgot bc my only thought rn is #3 needs to shut the fuck up

Anonymous 5d

Being vegan generally costs less, your food expenses go down by 16% to 29%. Ultra-processed plant-based replacements (meats, cheeses) are expensive, but whole foods like vegetables, grains, beans, and legumes are usually cheaper, you save like $500 a year.

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Anonymous 6d

Animal agriculture occupies 83% of global farmland, yet provides only 18% of the world's calories. Shifting to a plant-based diet frees up massive areas for rewilding and carbon sequestration.

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Anonymous 6d

Cattle farming is responsible for about 80% of current deforestation in the Amazon rainforest.

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Anonymous 6d

I’m plant based not vegan because it works well in my life and it has still really improved my quality of life and reduced the environmental damage of my existence.

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Anonymous 6d

Vegan diets result in 54% less water usage compared to meat-rich diets.

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Anonymous 6d

Animal waste (manure/slurry) is a major source of water pollution, leading to nitrogen and phosphorus leaching into waterways, harming ecosystems.

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Anonymous 6d

A vegan diet causes 66% less biodiversity loss, as it reduces the need for converting wild habitats into agricultural land.

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Anonymous 6d

Industrial beekeeping can contribute to the decline of wild, native bee populations, as commercial hives can outcompete them for resources. Also if it’s not bought locally, honey is also subject to shipping emissions.

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Anonymous 6d

I personally eat honey (from my uncles hive) but I don’t have a problem with people eating commercial honey or agave.

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Anonymous 6d

Adopting a vegan diet is the single biggest way to reduce your environmental impact, potentially cutting dietary carbon footprints, water pollution, and land use by up to 75%.

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Anonymous 6d

Being plant based reduces greenhouse gas emissions (especially methane and nitrous oxide), allows for reforestation, and protects biodiversity by reducing the need for agricultural land.

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Anonymous 6d

Livestock makes up 14.5% of human greenhouse gas emissions.

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Anonymous

#2 6d

What’s that line from Yellowstone? “How cute does an animal have to be before you care if it dies to feed you”?

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#3 6d

Holy shit stop spamming

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#3 6d

Also buddy how tf do you think farming plants works? Do you think they just appear? They require massive amounts of fertile land which are almost always deforested lmao. Youre a dumbass

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amethyst_popping_bottles 6d

The current 11 comment spam fest 3 is pulling is another issue I have with vegans. I recognize that it’s not all vegans, but there is a very vocal part of the community that takes any mild criticism of certain practices as a full blown assault on the entire practice.

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#3 6d

You got any sources for these numbers?

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Anonymous

#3 6d

Seriously spamming statistics without a source makes the numbers worthless

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amethyst_popping_bottles 5d

The 66% comes from University of Oxford Medical Sciences Division: https://www.medsci.ox.ac.uk/news/vegan-diet-has-just-30-of-the-environmental-impact-of-a-high-meat-diet-major-study-finds

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amethyst_popping_bottles 5d

The 83% and 18% comes from Our World in Data: https://ourworldindata.org/global-land-for-agriculture

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amethyst_popping_bottles 5d

I’m not vegan and as I said I don’t have a problem with people eating honey (or buying second hand leather).

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#3 5d

Ok then this isn’t about you. The whole point of this thread is to talk about the hypocrisy and general toxicity SOME vegans showcase. There was no need to spam the way you did.

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Anonymous

#4 5d

On a similar note I think that some vegans often forget that there are people in the world that can’t participate in the vegan diet wether that’s because their body physically needs the proteins from meats cause they can’t process the ones from plants or because vegan options aren’t in their price range.

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#2 5d

No I lived on a farm for a year I know plants don't just appear. With a plant based diet you grow food and eat it. Whereas with animals you grow food, they eat it and then you eat them which means more land, and water is required. I specifically highlighted methane because that is a big byproduct of l cows digestion process. Plant based people cut out the middle moo.

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#3 5d

Youre leaving out things like bioavailability and nutrient content. Humans dont have multiple stomachs to ferment tough cellulose, nor do we eat our own feces (as many herbivores must). We CANNOT obtain all of our necessary nutrients from plant matter alone. Even most hardcore vegans take supplements. Humans are OMNIVORES for a reason.

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#3 5d

And cows arent the only livestock animal… cows and pigs are fairly inefficient, but goats, sheep, rabbits, chickens, and insects; all are much more efficient, eco-friendly livestock.

Anonymous

#2 5d

Humans don’t need to digest cellulose because we can digest other carbohydrates, like starch.

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Anonymous

#2 5d

Yes I along with most people in the US take supplement to get all the nutrients I need.

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Anonymous

#2 5d

Agreed, switching to more sustainable livestock and bugs is great.

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Anonymous

#3 5d

Thats not the point… humans have a large energy need to maintain homeostasis and plants alone dont meet that need. And while its great that you and others can take supplements, that is a luxury. And even then, supplements are meant to supplement a diet, not replace anything.

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#2 5d

This is exactly why I commented earlier that vegan diets aren’t accessible to everyone. I have a cousin that went vegan for a year and became seriously ill because her body wasn’t getting the proper nutrients despite doing everything correctly, she just couldn’t get the protein she needed from plants alone. She’s pescatarian now and doing better.

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#2 5d

You can eat enough plants you just have to eat a lot of food. The supplement luxury thing is totally fair I spend about $120 a year on them.

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amethyst_popping_bottles 5d

I’m glad she decided to bend rather than break sorry about the impact to her health.

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#3 5d

Exactly, youd have to eat an absurd amount of plant matter to meet energy needs (and youd still miss a lot of nutrients). That means way more plant farming which means way more deforestation and habitat loss. Theres no such thing as a free lunch. Humans are heterotrophs and must consume other organisms to survive. Its not about whether plants or animals are better to farm/eat, its about WHERE theyre grown and how theyre grown.

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#5 5d

+ you can get leather from animals that were already going to be butchered (depends on the farmer tho) and stuff like honey, eggs, wool, etc. don’t negatively impact the animal and in cases like wool, not shearing the sheep can lead to them overheating, being too heavy, impacting their vision, etc. and it doesn’t hurt them at all. i don’t get some vegan mindsets that plastic/synthetic materials are better than harmless natural ones. some things i get, but not that.

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#2 5d

I don’t eat an absurd amount of food. I eat 3 meals a day + a snack and I’m 5’ 6” 138ibs. Also the only nutrients I supplement are iron (I’m a blood donor) and B vitamins I’m not deficient in any nutrients as far as I know.

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Anonymous

#2 5d

Eating a lot of plants I still eat less plants the livestock does.

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Anonymous

#2 5d

I agree that how plants are grown and how livestock are raised is very important. That’s why I support buying local and higher standards for all kinds of agriculture.

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Anonymous

#2 5d

Yes we have to eat other organisms (including plants and fungi) to survive but we don’t need to eat animals/animal products especially not in the quantities we do.

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#3 5d

You’re still going? I’ll refer you back to my previous statement about how the only topic of this thread is about the hypocrisy of some vegans. Go preach somewhere else.