Anonymous #2 6w

Absolutely not i just got back from a hike earlier where disgusting people had thrown trash EVERYWHERE. Beer cans zyn pouches water bottles even fucking socks. I’m so fed up. At the very least these people need to be taught a lesson.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Do you think people who can afford to pay are less likely to litter? That's what the implication seems to be with your suggestion to raise entry fees. I agree it's disgusting and fucking sad though. Every time I see plastic on the ground I wanna pick it up and bring to the nearest trash, but I don't wanna catch any diseases

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Anonymous #1 6w

Indigenous tribes charges people hundreds of dollars to see pretty sites like Havasu on their land. They don’t care if it excludes poor people because their responsibility is to their land first. It’s unfortunate but I trust their systems more than our own

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Anonymous #2 6w

Generally yes I live in the south and there’s a certain type of narrow minded trashy folk who behave this way. Same type of people who go tens of thousands in debt to buy massive lifted trucks that roll coal.

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Anonymous OP 6w

as someone who grew up in the south and had my family called trashy, fuck you!😃

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Anonymous OP 6w

i see far more of the rich people in my area treating nature like shit because they feel like they can do whatever and get away with it, they don’t deserve preserved natural areas any more than i do

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Anonymous #1 6w

Trashy people throw trash and have no regard for the environment which you are not so that term wouldn’t apply to u

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Anonymous OP 6w

ok but is the solution really implementing elitist fees or is it more outreach and leave no trace education/fostering a culture which values our public lands? bc if you admit its a cultural problem of your region then it needs a cultural solution

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Anonymous OP 6w

Buddy as someone thats worked with rich people i can tell you they do it just as much id not more lmao. Why are you so convinced that classism is the answer to climate change? You are aware they caused this in the first place, right?

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Anonymous #4 6w

Like lets ditch treating native people as magical all-knowing shamans lmao. They get treated like shit by the american government still and, like everyone else, do what they need to survive. Same with all the poor people you seem to fucking hate lmao. The rich dont give a shit about nature. If you think higher fees will lead to better outcomes, youre just ignorant. Your “solution” is already being done and is spectacularly failing.

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Anonymous OP 6w

“Their” land. Fun game of “do you actually understand the problem with colonialism or not” LOL

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Anonymous #3 6w

This!!!! Target the behavior, don’t punish those behave correctly. By raising the prices you could be cutting off a lot of underprivileged, or even middle class families who use the park’s recreationally/educationally. Then how would we foster stewardship in the younger gen? We need to encourage correct behaviors in parks, not cut people off.

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Anonymous #2 5w

This is def better but I worry we’d start to have to deal with fucking ticket scalpers if this happened😭 thereby having the same end result even if the intentions were much better💔

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Anonymous #4 5w

Yea I agree this just feels like some classist bullshit. And I agree with 1 the rich are entitled as fuck they seem far more likely to damage nature if you just started pricing out poor people. This whole thing just reeks of “the poor don’t deserve nature because they’re too stinky and uneducated to respect it correctly” which is a flawed mindset in multiple ways.

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Anonymous #6 5w

Also if this were implemented I would likely never be able to visit a national park ever again. Like genuinely if day passes become $3000 dollars or some nutcase amount I’m just never gonna be able to afford that. And EVERYONE DESERVES TO BE ABLE TO VISIT NATURE. This whole post just pisses me the fuck off. There are numerous better ways to fix an over-tourism problem.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Dawg poor people cannot afford a $90,000 lifted truck😭 All the people who own those things are rich. Like yea sometimes poor people make bad financial decisions (cause we don’t teach financial literacy in highschool) but there’s a limit to what’s even *possible* for them to get. No bank is gonna give someone a loan who they know for a fact won’t be able to pay it back. Like yea banks are predatory and push loans onto people but if you literally just don’t have the money they won’t do it…

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Anonymous #6 5w

…cause they wouldn’t get paid back even if you went into bankruptcy.

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