Anonymous OP 1w

i’m always really interested to have a genuine conversation to understand their perspectives and find that middle ground connection tbh. i see them demonstrating and live-streaming on youtube sometimes. it’s so fascinating way to go about it, sociologically speaking.

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Anonymous #2 1w

^such as a deer that is part of an overpopulated herd that was killed quickly

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Anonymous #1 1w

But to them when you think about it is there any middle ground when it comes to murder? even if an animal lived its life naturally or was invasive if we replace killing an invasive animal with invasive human then it becomes problematic. But on the other side if we do come together and say okay we as a species are above the animal kingdom so we can eat meat. Does that start justifying our destruction of the environment in other ways.

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Anonymous #2 1w

I think the issue is if humans have same rights as animals then even that becomes problematic, because we’re still killing it in the end and trying to justify it by saying it was invasive I mean right now the government is killing and violating peoples rights and justifying it as the people being invasive

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Anonymous OP 1w

I mean it’s pretty different. People upset about immigration are either victims of propoganda or just racist. Immigration is clearly a positive for American. However invasive species can lead to extinction and environmental collapse

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Anonymous #2 1w

Like if we start saying humans are also animals and as animals we can kill other animals, does that also mean we can start killing other humans? There’s no taboo against murder of the same species in the animal kingdom

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Anonymous #2 1w

For America

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Anonymous OP 1w

There is. We are animals. And more than that we are social animals. Plenty of social animals have standards against killing members of the tribe without good reason. We are no different

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Anonymous #2 1w

But of different tribes I mean

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Anonymous OP 1w

No other animals have the ability to have global tribes, that’s a human invention. It doesn’t change the moral situation though, recognizing animal rights doesn’t mean we have to normalize murdering eachother. Social contracts are still social contracts

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Anonymous #2 1w

And I mean we do still kill eachother, we just have our reasons that are justified through those social contracts

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Anonymous #2 1w

Kk I’ll tell my friend that before I drink my “rapist yogurt smoothie” as she said

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Anonymous OP 1w

Lmao yeah that’s a lot. I think you need to meet people where they are. Eating less meat is good. So is avoiding products made with child labor or taking the bus to work versus driving. Just pick some things that have positive impact and stick to them. We all have our strengths and weaknesses

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Anonymous OP 1w

Yeah i’m just curious about their perspectives on cultures that rely on some meats and worship others, or use every single part of the animal and bless it and thank it for giving its life to feed them, other animals predating on one another, etc… It’s just the biological perspective or the perspective of the wildlife that I consider. i think CAFOs should be totally eliminated tbh.

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Anonymous #2 1w

I think “rights” are subjective anyways

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Anonymous OP 1w

Yeah I mean it’s a hard thing to pin down for sure. Which I why I come back to suffering. It’s something all animals experience and we all want to reduce it or the experience of it. I think that’s a good thing to aim for

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Anonymous OP 6d

I don’t think we have to put ourselves above the animal kingdom to justify eating meat. Other animals eat meat all the time. We’re simply part of the food chain

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Anonymous #3 6d

i wouldn’t necessarily say we’re above it, since we are in Kingdom Animalia and in the Mammalian class too. We were hunters as the first peoples alongside our sister species too. We evolved at a faster rate as a tribal/social species and cultivated farming and domesticated some species, even creating subspecies through that. We have wielded too much evolutionary “power” for much too long. I think we need to NOT see ourselves as better than animals and be much more mindful of consumption.

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Anonymous #1 6d

Truthfully I’m down with human extinction some day. I saw Flow and that shit was beautiful. A post-human world would be quite majestic for nearly all species on earth.

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Anonymous #3 1d

circle of life but i do think we have evolved a conscience to understand limits and in a way survive and be better about the things we use and consume bc it ultimately will effect our quality of life if we over consume a necessary recourse

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