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My hot take is I think couples choosing IVF (and then carrying their own baby) is a lot more ethical than donors, surrogacy, or adoption
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Anonymous 1d

Than adoption? As in you think its better to leave a kid without parents in an overloaded system?

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Anonymous 1d

This, US adoption is soooo unethical. Maternal separation trauma is not even considered in any of these instances. Babies are treated like a product in these systems

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

“The system” is not overloaded with adoptable babies. There are 40 vetted families for every infant. Assuming you want to “adopt” a child, that is foster care. And not what I am talking about. And/or international adoption through private agencies which are also problematic.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1d

That *begins* with foster care, you can adopt a child you foster, but it’s not as simple as “I want to adopt a kid, so I’ll become a foster mom”

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

Pls research US adoption, there are like 50 hopeful adoptive couples for every infant put up for adoption. The demand far surpasses the “supply”. It’s largely for profit here so yes they consider supply and demand like they’re dolls

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1d

And I think the “system” you’re referring to is foster care? The goal of foster care is reunification not adoption to strangers…

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

Correct, the goals of foster care and private adoption are entirely different. In my opinion, the goal should ALWAYS be reunification if at all possible which is why for-profit adoption is something I perceive as unethical. I don’t like how they can interact with birth moms. (I’m not talking about your stepdad adopting you as a teen or whatnot (You” used generally)

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

People don’t realize it, but being separated from your family is ALWAYS traumatic, even as a tiny little infant. And some adoptees can thrive, but others don’t, and I try to listen to what they have to say on the issue. After listening, IVF seems much more ethical for a couple struggling to conceive than adoption.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1d

And the fact that ppl are wishing for a crisis and tragedy to happen to a poor family so that they can use it as a family planning tool is so deplorable once you realize the realities of American adoption. Family, when safe and possible, is almost always going to be better than strangers when it comes to raising children. Poor families just need extra support, not for their infants to be sold to the highest bidder and to be legally severed from the entirety of their biological family forever

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

Thank you for sharing with me, I see your point

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1d

I saw a video of a woman who wanted to adopt & they let her into the birth mom’s hospital room to try & explain why she wanted the baby when the mom changed her mind? And then had the audacity to be upset about the mother choosing to keep her child. The entitlement is insane—no one is owed someone else’s baby.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1d

I’ve seen that video I think…. Just goes to show how predatory and inherently coercive pre birth matching is. Like up to 40% of potential birth mothers decide not to go thru with relinquishing parental rights once they actually give birth. Bc it’s different when you give birth and hold your baby. If only all the money adoption agencies hoard for profit went to families in need so that they could parent

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