Anonymous #11 14w

So what about the people who came here legally and then get detained at their final court hearing? What about children? What about the fact that most of our ancestors came here before any of the absolute insane levels of bureaucracy put people on many year waiting lists? Do you personally know what the process is like? Do you know anyone who has tried to get citizenship?

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Anonymous #11 14w

I agree that people SHOULD come here and seek citizenship legally, but the process for doing so is a barrier that simply cannot be crossed by many people for SO many reasons. And many of those people are seeking asylum from their home country, are benefiting the US, and trying to better their lives and the lives of their families.

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Anonymous #2 14w

Also like, these borders are literally completely made up. If you exist on one side you are somehow a completely different person than someone on the other side? I don’t believe that at all.

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Anonymous #2 14w

The fact that yall don’t think that ppl coming into our country illegally is a problem, you’re part of the problem. It’s illegal for a reason. They’re destroying our country rn do you not see the numerous videos online of them destroying cities, throwing rocks off overpasses that are shattering and destroying police officers cars, them throwing fireworks at officers that are just standing there, etc. THEY NEED TO GO. GO WITH THEM BYE BYE

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Anonymous #2 14w

ILLEGALS NEED TO GO. THEYRE ILLEGAL FOR A REASON

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Anonymous #2 14w

MEXICO SOLD THE STATES TO US WE DID NOT TAKE THEM

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Anonymous #2 14w

COME LEGALLY OR DONT COME AT ALL

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Anonymous #10 14w

That’s such a good way to put it. The law does not define what’s moral or right. Like do ppl forget it was illegal for black people to SIT DOWN in certain places not too long ago.

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Anonymous #10 14w

A criminal is defined as an individual whom commits crime. Is crossing the border without going through the process illegal? Yes. That’s why they’re called illegal immigrants. Therefore, committing a crime. Just because they aren’t hurting anyone doesn’t mean they aren’t criminals. As soon as they cross illegally, they’re criminals by definition. Grab a dictionary please. Thank you. Educate yourselves.

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Anonymous #2 14w

I came here the right way, it's lengthy but it's worth it.

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Anonymous #11 14w

Thank you. I commend you for that. I wish they all could. I absolutely love the Latino community & have numerous friends apart of it. They all came legally & they all agree that these illegal immigrants should’ve came the proper way & that they should be deported because of the damage they have created in America. (Part of Bidens fault too bc he let them in)

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Anonymous #5 14w

May I ask how you know the citizenship status of the individuals in the videos you’re referencing?

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Anonymous #14 14w

Because when they got arrested their charges were posted to the public. Definitely not trying to say all of them are illegal, just to be clear. But if there was never an immigration problem, this wouldn’t have started. I can’t fully blame the illegal immigrants but I do to some extent.

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Anonymous #5 14w

uh what’s the immigration problem?

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Anonymous #5 13w

a civil offense is not a crime dumbass

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Anonymous #12 13w

👏🏾exactly

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He was found guilty on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in a New York state court. This conviction stems from a scheme to conceal a "hush money" payment made to Stormy Daniels before the 2016 election.

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His status as president-elect at the time of sentencing offered him protections that aren’t available to the average citizen

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how are you a real person bro

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You’re like a chihuahua. Yip yip yip yap yap yap

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Anonymous #17 13w

smarty pants, you know that there are different punishments for different offenses? look up the punishment for that civil offense. (hint: immediate deportation)

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Anonymous #9 13w

babygirl no one is arguing that there isn’t a punishment for being undocumented they said a civil offense isn’t the same as a crime

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Anonymous #6 13w

what’s the point in differentiating that then lmao. what do u gain

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Anonymous #6 13w

if this movement is abt calling illegals “civil offenders” instead of “criminals” then you’re gonna go really far lol

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Anonymous #9 13w

people are using the word criminal to describe illegal immigration when they don’t use it to describe other civil offenses because it demonizes the group. language is famously used by politicians to demonize groups as a form of discrimination and oppression

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Anonymous #9 13w

people don’t even call underage drinkers criminals and that actually IS a criminal offense 😭

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Anonymous #6 13w

let’s look at it this way. there are illegal immigrants who are also criminals correct? which is why they call those criminals, criminals. it’s up to you to infer what they mean by that correctly.

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Anonymous #9 13w

dude you got someone literally in this thread saying EVERYONE who crosses the border illegally is a criminal

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Anonymous #6 13w

even in crimes, not all crimes are equal. for drinking it’s a 200-1000$ fine, and usually it’s 200. and the reason it’s a law in the first place is more so to create a social standard, not so much to punish people. most people are let off the hook as well, when my roommate got caught at a bar when he was 20 he was just talked to by cops and let go

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Anonymous #6 13w

and you probably have someone in this thread saying that someone crossing the border illegally should just be charged with something like a jaywalking fee of 200 bucks. so which one is more harmful?

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Anonymous #9 13w

You’re asking a subjective question but to me it’s more harmful to villainize undocumented immigrants. That language breeds a culture of hatred and violence

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Anonymous #9 13w

baby that’s whataboutism- you’re arguing “oh but this other thing is more harmful” which is abandoning your original point that it’s pointless to differentiate civil offenders and criminals and your “all crimes aren’t equal” point doesn’t support the original one either you’re just yapping to yap

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Anonymous #14 13w

not really villainizing, bc when you ask those people what these “criminals” deserve they say deportation, which is what they do deserve under that civil offense. it’d be different if they said that illegals deserve more punishment on top of that

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Anonymous #9 13w

would it not be villainizing if they said “these disgusting rabid inhuman animals deserve deportation?”

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Anonymous #6 13w

like i said, bc that civil offense is more harmful than other civil offenses, you should compare it to a crime. there is only NO point if you’re going to compare it to jaywalking. which is what people r doing. read between the lines👍

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Anonymous #6 13w

if they r referring to rapists and murderers who also happen to be illegal, then definitely not. those people r pretty disgusting rabid inhuman animals aren’t they?

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Anonymous #9 13w

if you recognize civil offense can have a range of severity as do criminal offenses- calling it a crime doesn’t indicate how harmful it is following your own logic 😭

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Anonymous #9 13w

and if they’re not?

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Anonymous #6 13w

and if they’re not what

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Anonymous #9 13w

if they’re not awful criminals- which the wide wide majority of undocumented immigrants are- is that language reasonable to describe them even if they believe in a proportionate punishment?

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Anonymous #6 13w

this seems more like a game of “these people called every person in this group this!” and then i say “or so you infer?” to which you say “um yeah😔”

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Anonymous #9 13w

girl just answer the question deflecting is not a good look

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Anonymous #6 13w

not a deflection at all bc i already answered this question. which is no, not everyone should be described like that. you’re inferring that someone is describing everyone like that. reread the game i said you’re playing

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Anonymous #9 13w

i’m not inferring shit dawg i’m just proving a point that ok you agree not all undocumented immigrants should be described as criminals which goes back to negate your original point that it’s pointless to differentiate civil offenders and criminals. if you argue there’s an insignificant amount of people calling all illegal immigrants criminals that’s a different argument

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Anonymous #6 13w

i don’t see how “not all illegals are criminals” negates “it’s pointless to differentiate civil offenders and criminals”. those seem to me 2 unrelated topics

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Anonymous #9 13w

Language is important. People DO refer to all undocumented immigrants as criminals and that is inaccurate and harmful

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Anonymous #9 13w

that wasn’t the end of the convo the final point was that you SHOULDN’T refer to all illegals as something they’re not because it’s harmful which means the obvious to differentiate calling them criminals from civil offenders is because it’s harmful

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Anonymous #9 13w

and by YOUR own admission- calling someone a criminal vs civil offender doesn’t necessarily tell you the severity of the offense meaning calling them a criminal has no technical utility in indicating the severity of the crime it only serves to create stigma

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Anonymous #6 13w

well why in this case? bc this civil offense is pretty bad. at least bad enough to get deported. and criminal is only harmful if you infer it to be harmful, just like how driving with an expired tag is a crime, but calling that person a criminal is only bad to others inferring that label to be bad. and those people, not to be mean, are pretty dumb!

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Anonymous #6 13w

and yes, it doesn’t indicate the severity of the crime. just like how civil offender doesn’t indicate the severity of the offense. stigma can be pretty bad. which is why differentiating it in order to compare it to jaywalking is in very bad faith

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Anonymous #9 13w

no- the inference would be that someone means it in a denigrating way. the truth regardless of intention is demonizing undocumented immigrants because duh people hear “criminal” and associate it with awful shit and claiming anything else- THAT is bad faith

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Anonymous #9 13w

it’s not my fault if i call them a civil offender and you infer that i think illegal immigration isn’t that bad 🥺

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The judge granted Trump an unconditional discharge, a sentence that affirms he’s a convicted felon, but one where he will face no further penalties, fines or any time in jail.

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The judge said, because of the defendant, this was an extraordinary trial, and sentencing him would be the same. Merchan said that, if Donald Trump had been a regular citizen, a regular defendant, that he would have likely have faced much harsher punishment for those crimes.

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Anonymous #6 13w

correct

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But because Donald Trump is about to become president of the United States again, that comes with the enormous protections, the judge said. Those are granted by the Constitution, many other courts, and most recently interpreted again by the Supreme Court last year.

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Anonymous #5 13w

i wonder why they had to cross illegally🤔🤔🤔

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Anonymous #9 13w

jaywalking is also a civil offense. are we all going to get immediately deported now?

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Anonymous #18 13w

actually a large portion of illegal immigrants entered legally they just overstayed visas

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Anonymous #19 13w

lmaooo. hey #6, look at #19 proving my point. and #19 no you’ll get a 200 dollar fine. hey! you have an expired driving sticker! that’s a crime, so you’re going to jail like a murderer would! jeez the ignorance really shows

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Anonymous #18 13w

false premise, remove the word “had”

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Anonymous #9 13w

oh hun, no i don’t agree with you, sorry. you’re calling regular people who happen to be in another county “criminals”, like the 90 year old undocumented man down the street is going to jump you. no. calling a group of people who’s only crime is escaping the violence of their homeland and being denied asylum “criminals”. you know who’s actually a criminal? look at the white house. people are being deported ON THEIR WAY TO BECOME LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

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Anonymous #19 13w

these people are doing everything right, but they’re still being snatched from the streets. why? the legal system didn’t move fast enough. so calling people “criminals” and “illegals” adds a stigma to them that they don’t need.

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Anonymous #19 13w

language matters, hun. think of the difference between hearing the words “that female over there” vs “that woman over there”. both mean the same thing, but one is dehumanizing. same goes for calling undocumented people “illegals”. just call them undocumented, no need for the hateful language

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Anonymous #9 13w

so if we’re taking what one person in this thread as a general example for what people think should i assume people generally call illegal immigrants criminals? because someone does that in this thread

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Anonymous #19 13w

i didn’t call anyone a criminal first of all. second the legalization process begins outside of the US. not inside. only people getting snatched are illegals, which they are by illegally being here. i agree with the criminal part, but you should also not compare this to jaywalking like u did, bc that really undermines this

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Anonymous #19 13w

i actually do only use undocumented it’s that yikyak has a character count so i’d rather use words that have less characters. but just know it is most definitely not an incorrect term

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Anonymous #9 13w

that’s not true trump has started snatching deporting international students just for speaking out for palestine

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Anonymous #6 13w

i’m glad you’re beginning to understand that you don’t actually disagree with me at all. we can call out incorrect information.

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Anonymous #6 13w

that’s a different topic, and it’s not what the protests r abt. but yes trump is snatching away people not so much for speaking for palestine, but criticizing israel.

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Anonymous #9 13w

sure also about israel but definitely also about palestine it’s disingenuous to claim anything else with how he demonizes pro-palestinian demonstrations and people. and idk how you could possibly glean that we agree when you hate illegal immigrants and ion gaf. underage drinking is definitely more harmful than the existence of illegal immigrants being here- i just see them as people

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Anonymous #6 13w

hate is a strong word. just bc i want people rightfully deported doesn’t mean i hate them. and you’re really wrong that underage drinking is worse, when in all of europe people start drinking at 16 and r perfectly fine. the fact of the matter is, and this is a harsh reality, but illegal immigrants can’t be here, and can’t keep coming. we can feel bad for them, but we can’t let them stay, and most definitely we can’t let them keep coming

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Anonymous #6 13w

also turn on your chats i want to talk to u abt something

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Anonymous #9 13w

girl no i don’t wanna talk to you 💀

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Anonymous #6 13w

please🥺

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Anonymous #9 13w

also europe is not in fact fine there’s a big problem there with alcohol abuse in europe

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Anonymous #9 13w

bro hop off

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Anonymous #6 13w

i wanna help you understand how the world works with a series of rhetorical questions bc you seem smart and open minded enough to

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Anonymous #9 13w

get rid of “to”

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Anonymous #9 13w

fineeeeeeee but if you’re annoying imma block tf outta you

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Anonymous #6 13w

U ate

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Anonymous #9 13w

1% of undocumented immigrants are criminals - us customs and boarder protection, and the most likely prior conviction is illegally crossing the boarder. Idk if ur trying to make the argument that immigrants are dangerous or smt but the stats show they are usually not.

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Anonymous #9 13w

GET RID OF ILLEGALSSSSS BYE BYEEEE

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Anonymous #5 13w

No one is illegal on stolen land

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Anonymous #20 13w

Preach 💯

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Anonymous #9 13w

Why can’t more immigrants come?

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Anonymous #10 13w

Immigrants are welcome here, as long as it's done the correct way.

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Anonymous #10 13w

How’s it stolen? Mexico sold it to us.. we bought it💀 you sound dumb

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Anonymous #5 13w

stolen from the native americans? you know, the people who were here before europeans?? you sound dumb not knowing that 💀

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Anonymous #11 13w

We had open boarders until 1921.

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Anonymous #11 13w

The “correct way” isn’t possible for many people because of restrictive immigration laws, complex and lengthy legal processes, and high costs associated with legal pathways.

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Anonymous #10 13w

Literally thank u. These ppl unfortunately cannot face the fact that they are being racist as fuck and just hate brown and black people. They come up with any excuse in the world to justify the inhumane practice happening against people by our own government. Like nah bro you know it’s evil

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Anonymous #20 13w

No fr

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Anonymous #19 13w

👏🏾

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