Anonymous mother_russia 5d

Really no one compares to the US in modern history except for maybe a couple European empires. We’re the reason the whole world is fucked up rn

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Anonymous OP 5d

I would say Russia and China would both be included on that list but yeah since we’ve been the leading power for the past century, we’ve messed up a lot of countries for our own benefit and hurt our people a lot

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Anonymous #2 5d

No, in the last 100 years specifically the US has by far been the most evil domestically and abroad. No other country comes close. We’re behind like every genocide, war, coup, political unrest etc

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Anonymous OP 5d

We really aren’t. We have parts in a LOT of them but like Russias mass starvation of their people killing millions? China’s genocide against the Uyghurs and other groups, etc. like the USA has done a lot of shit but let’s not overlook the horrible things other governments have done.

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Anonymous mother_russia 5d

Which mass starvation are you referring to? And Russia or the USSR? And I won’t speak on China bc I still need to do more research but I know there’s a lot more to the Uyghur thing. We have to be really careful with what we’re told about “enemy” countries. A lot it is just propaganda to justify military action or sanctions against them

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Anonymous OP 5d

Also Canada 😟 the reasons the Geneva Conventions are so long because wow they haven’t fucked with economies or done things secretly often but Canada during war? Scary as hell

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Anonymous mother_russia 5d

I still stand my statement that we’re the worst in modern history by far and am not only looking at domestic policy but foreign policy is very important as well. Even if all of what you said is true, we’re still much worse and deadlier foreign policy wise. China and Russia don’t pull the strings of the global like we do

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Anonymous mother_russia 5d

Yeah Canada is another horrible settler colony and they’re for sure complicit in our global genocide but we are the leaders and highest beneficiaries of it

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Anonymous OP 5d

Both Russia and the Soviet Union. I think there has been 3 different large famines that were mainly caused or at least made much worse by their government that their government doesn’t acknowledge but all other countries recognize the purposeful actions by the governments.

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Anonymous OP 5d

No we are not the most evil. Also no one mentioned Germany yet specifically yet? I know you mentioned Japan already. Trust me, there has been a lottttt more bad stuff before the 100 year span youre talking about lol

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Anonymous OP 5d

I think China has a VERY significant pull on a global scale as they have SO much of our labor and resources that come from them and they own a lot of our national debt, as well for other countries. Obviously the USA more so as we hold the global currency and have the largest economy globally and have for the past century.

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Anonymous #2 5d

But Germany was defeated by the USSR and they only were doing their fascist bit for a few decades. The US was literally founded on genocide and slavery. Millions died. And that was just the founding of our country. We’re responsible for millions upon millions more deaths since then and we’re the reason the whole world is in the condition it’s currently in. We are literally the deadliest force of the last 100 years

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Anonymous OP 5d

Also like there is a lot more history with the Uyghurs but NOTHING justifies their treatment. At no point is genocide okay. I’m not listening to politicians on why China is bad, I’m just getting the honest information about the treatment of different people there. My friends lived there for 10 years so I’ve got good information about them.

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Anonymous mother_russia 5d

See I just don’t believe there’s a genocide there based off talking to other Marxists, but again I can’t get into details bc I need to do more research. Usually when it comes to the US or the west, ‘every accusation is a confession’ as they say And yeah my best friend lived there until she was like 17

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Anonymous OP 5d

What country exists that wasn’t founded on war or genocide and didn’t have slavery?

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Anonymous OP 5d

Girl… you say you need to do more research but feel comfortable saying there isn’t a genocide??? And how does being Marxist relate to being a reliable source for if what’s happening to the Uyghurs is genocide or not?

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Anonymous OP 5d

Look I don’t think you really know what you’re talking about. I’m not expert either but I do have a degree in history. History is vast so sure I don’t know everything but I know enough to know you’re wrong lol

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Anonymous mother_russia 5d

Settler colonialism is a whole other animal. It’s not comparable at all to war and territory disputes. And yeah I feel pretty confident bc it’s what ppl I know who share my political beliefs espouse and they’re a lot smarter than me. Like my brother, for example. Al he does is read and research this stuff. I’ve seen many videos myself from Xinjiang. Bc I’ve been all over the map from liberal to Marxist & Marxist Leninism is the only thing to successfully combat fascism and capitalism.

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Anonymous #2 5d

I’m a lot more educated on history than you are if you think we’re not the worst. Never said I was an expert either but Ive spent the last 13 years of my life researching this stuff all the time. No other country compares to us in modern history. Idk how you have a degree in history and not come to that conclusion. I think you need to seek out less biased sources bc it seems like you only view the world from a western perspective

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Anonymous OP 5d

Other countries are capable of propaganda. Every country committing mass genocides will try to hide it and lie about it so let’s not trust the governments committing the genocides for information on if it’s actually a genocide, like Germany had SO much propaganda saying they weren’t committing genocide. Also there is more slavery going on in the modern day than ever recorded before in history, it’s not a past issue and is still a huge problem.

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Anonymous OP 5d

We aren’t the worst. I’m not saying the US isnt guilty of its own bad deeds but it is a far cry from Germany or just general practice of upholding law from ancient history. Egypt? They wild. Rome? Wild. Great for you, I’ve also studied history for awhile? I’ve always loved it and have studied it before college and now I have an ✨actual✨ degree thank you. If you knew a thing about legit discussions about history, it’s that there is rarely a solid answer. Most of it is opinion with sources

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Anonymous OP 5d

Saying the US is the worst and most evil is a huge claim without solid proof. Then you’d also need to define what evil is, because everyone does have a slightly different definition of the term and it’s slang in some cases. Even then, it’s still mostly opinion based so you better have a good argument, which you don’t

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Anonymous #2 5d

But see the reason why I kept it to the last 100ish years specifically is bc I’m comparing modern nations to other modern nations. It’s not fair to compare a modern nation to civilizations thousands of years ago. Historical conditions improve throughout centuries, constantly shifting into new periods and economic modes of production. We’re def worse than Germany seeing as how we inspired them to conduct a genocide in the first place with our treatment of our indigenous & black population

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Anonymous #2 5d

Okay but you’re the one of accusing of not being educated on history when i am. The Uigur thing is a very new thing, I’m educated on history. When did I say there was a solid answer? There’s not… It’s simply a character judgement based on my in depth history knowledge of modern history. It’s a perspective, not cold hard truth. If you were a fascist, you think we were the best country from that perspective. It’s all about perspective & narrative Evil is moralistic so I should have said deadly

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Anonymous #2 5d

Deadly and harmful by number of lives lost and the number of people negatively impacted

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