Anonymous #1 17w

How about we switch that around?

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For the most part, religious people are perfectly normal. However most religions extreme aspects are not compatible with the current world, and people who observe those extreme aspects are the once that give it a bad name. Religion in general isn’t inherently “cancerous” it’s just how people apply it to the real world

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Why is it so hard to understand that it’s religion itself that affects the way people act. if it wasn’t for Christian or Muslim doctrine, I’m sure most people wouldn’t have issues with gay folks. Both Christianity and Islam have anti queer shit in their philosophy. It’s not the whole “it’s the people not the religion 🥺” when the religion is the reason that they act like that and have those beliefs.

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Don’t act like Muslim people specifically constantly come at queer people because of the “story of lut” in the Quran. Christians come at them with the same bullshit from their books. If it wasn’t written in those books, and these people wouldn’t follow it like their life depended on it

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Of course there are people who don’t follow it to a T. But if the Bible in the Quran didn’t exist we probably wouldn’t have to deal with homophobia to the scale that we have to deal with it now. Most of the people who don’t accept being gay or indeed, Muslim or Christian. There’s obviously something wrong there

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Anonymous OP 16w

Are*

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Anonymous OP 16w

I’m sorry, but that’s just too big of an inference to make. Hetero relationship have been the norm for hundreds of years and going against that norm could easily create homophobia. Blaming majority of homophobia on two religions is too big of a what if to be an actual argument.

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Anonymous #2 16w

It’s been the norm for hundred of years and being against it can easily create homophobia because of… religion😭

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Anonymous #2 16w

i don't see how you can say "the norm for hundreds of years" and not realize you're conceding the point

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Anonymous #4 16w

Not only that but Christianity and Islam literally the two biggest religions in the world with ~5 BILLION followers. It’s obviously going to affect society around the world considering that over half of those people follow either Christianity or Islam

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Anonymous OP 16w

I’m saying if religion didn’t exist that would be something that could cause homophobia. Being homosexual isn’t something inherently natural about humans.

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Anonymous #4 16w

That was in the case if religion didn’t exist

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Anonymous #2 16w

Imma just leave this here. You can tell that the acceptance rates of homosexuality among religious people (minus Hindus and Buddhists, MAYBE Jews(considering Christianity and Islam branched from it)) is much lower than religiously unaffiliated people. I’m not saying they are all bad, which they are not, but it’s pretty obvious that there is a correlation between the unacceptance of homosexuality and religion (specifically Abrahamic ones)

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Anonymous #2 16w

the reason you say hundreds of years and not "human history" is because heteronormativity is a modern phenomenon (note: i did not say heterosexuality) that is not reflected throughout all history. in those same centuries we've seen widespread colonialism, imperialism and oppression at the hands of abrahamic religions with strict views on sex and gender

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Anonymous OP 16w

I’m not denying that religion has a significant influence on homophobia. I think you’re referring to when was said you can’t blame two religions for homophobia. I misspoke and meant that if there was no religion, homophobia would still be present and that those religions are not responsible for the idea of homophobia. They more so spread its beliefs.

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Anonymous #2 16w

i never said or even so much as implied they're responsible for the idea of homophobia. i said they are responsible for the systematic proliferation of homophobia at a global scale. if they never existed, homophobia would not exist at nearly the same scale or severity without comparably massive institutions spreading it in a comparably violent and oppressive manner

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Anonymous OP 16w

if you read the bible and take a look at what religion (for christianity at least) is truly based on, you’ll find that it’s based on loving EVERYONE how they come. there is nothing that argues against people being gay. it is the people who misinterpret the bible, who spread hatred and acclaim it to religion who make this issue. it is not the basis of the religion itself

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Anonymous #1 16w

you can argue that or the exact opposite for each abrahamic religion and it's wrong for all of them either way. the idealized, romanticized, ideologically pure version of christianity that exists in your head only exists in your head. there are as many versions of "true" christianity as there are christians and excluding the ones who don't meet your criteria is just a variation of the no true scotsman fallacy

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