
She couldn’t have agreed to anything and in her lawsuit she says she was pushing them away as they were reaching for her privates multiple times. She hid from them under the covers and they pulled her toward them to assault her. It’s disgusting that anyone would blame her. They forced her to take drugs she’s never had before
I just read the original statement… I’m finding it unclear exactly how the events as first described were not enough to constitute rape. She swatted his hand away, more than once, and he thought that meant it was time to “grope” her? It also says they “end[ed] up on the bed” and began to have a threesome, but the whole sequence of events leading up to and proceeding that just seems like pressure after pressure.
Once you realize that women’s definition of “rape” is any sexual encounter they regret, you’ll understand why they think all men do it. Young white women want the status of being “raped” because they know it’s the only way for them to compete with gays and minorities in the Oppression Olympics.
Hello, I am a male at UConn (sorry for coming into this group I just saw that it was a popular post so I might be able to gain more wisdom), and I’m just trying to understand both sides of this specific point people are making about the other 50 guys. To my knowledge they didn’t know it was not consensual, so they may have overlooked it as a nymphomaniac that one of their frat guys found. Also, think about how weird awkward it would be to be suspicious of the text thread, go check it out, and…
Lesser burden in civil court, and with the school already giving “sanctions,” your buddies are toast. With a civil verdict, and if the DA decides to prosecute, they are gonna get done the same way in prison. Lucky if they don't; it would be due to the Prison Rape Elimination Act. Ironic.
The thing about it is why not trust her? She’s now going thru this trauma again with a big spotlight on her. You think she’s just lying for shits and giggles and to feel shamed by ppl like you who love men so bad they are hesitant to trust women? I don’t see how that could be fun or garner any benefits.
Women need to learn? We're practically TAUGHT by the time we're born the ill intentions men have. All she wanted to do was have fun and drink with her sorority, as many people do. She was incapacitated, then taken advantage of by someone who she trusted. You just dumb for no reason
See a girl getting f*cked by two guys, and still go over there and ask if she was ok and if she wanted it or not, does that make sense? I’m not saying that it’s okay they didn’t do anything, but is that really enough to say fuck them or blame them for it due to their lack of knowledge. Additionally, half of them could have not even opened the chat at the time, so I just don’t think this is just to blame them this much. If there is something I do not understand please forgive me and do please…
What do you think “free pussy” means? They weren’t concerned that there was a girl at a party that was having sex with multiple men? They weren’t concerned that someone said “you can just whip it out”? This is willful ignorance or just normalized in the house. Either way it’s disgusting
consent is given freely, enthusiastically, and while sober. If someone went to this place where they were holding her, as a captive, they would have seen that she was unconscious and/or inebriated. They were forcing ketamine down her throat on their penises to keep her immobilized. There is no excuse for any of them. “Free pussy” rarely means anything consensual is happening.No one called the police during or afterwards. Nobody questioned what was happening. Nobody cared about her life or safety
There is no “other side,” they aided and abetted in sexual assault and rape by having knowledge and not doing anything. Specifically those who replied with stuff like “I love this frat” or whatever need to be seriously investigated and charged with aiding and abetting. Fifty people did nothing.
If you got a message in a group chat while you were sleeping that said “free chest to stab” and woke up and read that, would you go about your day or call the police because you were worried about a crime committed? “Free shit in this house down the road” and worry about a burglary?
Great point. Let me break it down for you: free pussy, in your terms, would mean a woman willing to give her sober, informed consent. Consent can be revoked at any time. Consent can't be given when you are intoxicated beyond the point of rational decision-making. From the point Jane Doe was at the bar, arguably, she could not consent.
Right, so you missed my point above, which the DA said he agrees with. Victims can remember more of a traumatic event as time goes on. Honestly, more time to process what happened actually gives her time to build her case. I don't blame her for being unable to process and recount a traumatizing event; that was widespread on campus. That's a big reason people don't report. Not to mention the secondary victimization she is currently going through.
Oh God, how can somebody be so stupid. You CANNOT consent to sex UNDER THE INFLUENCE. For the same fucking reason you can’t drive or handle heavy machinery under the influence. She previously consensually took substances, but they forced more upon her. Even if the drugs were consensual the sex wasn’t, and unconsentual sex is rape. Good fucking lord
She’s was gang graped while under the influence. They forced her to take ketamine and passed her around as she was pushing them away. She was naked and trying to hide under the covers because she was scared and they were grabbing her privates and slapping her if she didn’t comply. 7 men, 7 hours, 57 people read the messages in a Snapchat group calling her “free pussy” and did nothing
The media buzz and obvious public outrage stem from a collection of filings made last week, news reports, and statements from Jane Doe and the accused attorneys. The outrage comes from the fact that 57 men in that Snapchat group chat read past “free pussy” and didn't sound the alarm. If the police had been on the scene, maybe there would be toxicology reports rather than just accounts, but no one did. Here we are.
Jesus fucking Christ. First you come into this comment section with shit unrelated and now you’re confused my your own point. I’ve only been old enough to vote once and it wasn’t for fuck ass Trump. If you’re a sexual predator I actually don’t think you deserve air let alone be president. So go split hairs elsewhere
If we are going to blame anything, it's the functioning criminal justice system we have. Not some political puppet who also happens to be a sexual predator. I suggest you urge more survivors to have supported participation rather than be blamed and shamed by the same people protecting (their right) the accused. Justice doesn't come from a verdict alone.
half the country voted for Donald Trump, 2/9 supreme court justices have allegations, mcgregor continues to perform in the ufc, ronaldo is still loved all over the world, to name just a FEW. when our society keeps supporting people convicted of sexual assault (or credibly accused for the justices) then rape is absolutely normalized.
The actual percentage of false rape claims sits at around %5. Every single piece of science and medicine you have ever used treats a %95 chance as true. Let alone the many many famous men who have been accused or FOUND GUILTY and continue to enjoy wonderful lives. like donald EPSTEINS BESTIE and CONVICTED sexual abuser with dozens of other allegations and liking to sneak into young girls changing rooms fucking trump this shit is too accepted by society.
That is a very subjective way of looking at it though? For example, if a guy was drugged and used for sex by multiple women, didn’t say yes, and didn’t like it? It would be, by definition, rape as well. I agree that there are women who misuse the word or even abuse it, report innocent men who they just didn’t like (after) and make actual victims of rape look bad or unbelievable though. But most of the time that isn’t the case, no sane person wants to be known as a victim. Let alone of rape.
I only said it like that cause she was there to have fun, not to become incapacitated and then used like a sex toy. It was almost as if they planned for this to happen as so, it’s contextual for the way I worded it but!! I do get what you’re saying though. It can be taken the other way, thanks for pointing that out.
unfortunately even the people who are the loudest about sexual assault when it’s people they don’t know often become complicit when it’s people they do know, without even realizing it. it’s easy to acknowledge that there are evil people in the world, but much harder to acknowledge that it’s likely some people you know and think highly of as well.
What a fucking loser you are, seriously. LC is being tried for her crime again; actually, there was a retrial hearing today. She is the accused; she killed her kids. Brian Walsh murdered his wife and dismembered her body; they still got a guilty verdict. All capital crimes, and heinous ones, so are all 57 going to use the insanity defense?
Also, is being heavily under the influence (“8/10” drunkeness at 5:35 in the morning) not enough to imply that she could have been incapable of controlling her own conduct? Yes, according to the statement she initially agreed to do Ketamine, but can’t we gather that the men knew what Ketamine would do to her self-control, especially given the sheer volume?
doing drugs or drinking isn’t the issue here, it’s what they did to her after. you’re genuinely just ignorant about this and i sincerely hope you take a step back and reeducate yourself on this entire matter because this is the exact mentality that leads men to rape women. reading your arguments is genuinely fucking concerning.
She could’ve been pole dancing in nothing but floss or dressed as a nun reading books in a corner it literally does not matter what she was doing they did not have a right to her body. Her level of intelligence has nothing to do with it because at the end of the day men should not feel they have the right to women even if they’re high or intoxicated or anything. She deserves to be safe and just because that isn’t reality doesn’t mean you should perpetuate women being responsible for men’s action
I’m sorry that you hate women so much that you believe they aren’t being heinously abused on a daily basis but I just want you to think about what if your sister or mother was incapacitated drunk and high and was used as a sex toy by 7 men while unconscious. You don’t find that to be illegal? I think it might be time for you to seek therapy for your hateful mindset and lack of empathy
Also just bc it’s legal doesn’t make it right….. and once again if someone is drunk and you sleep with them, unless they consented before to having sex while drunk and reiterated that right before sex then it’s rape. Sorry you don’t want to admit it but it is. Remember that what happened in Nazi Germany was technically legal. Would you stand up for nazis too?
But if all parties involved are drunk, wouldn’t she be eligible for rape, too? Also, New York State says that if you consent for substances (she did), you can still consent for sex even under impression of those substances. If you’re mad about that then call some NY State representatives to change it.
I don’t really understand why people are mad at Cornell. Despite what everyone is lying and saying, the guys weren’t just given essays. Two were expelled, 5 were suspended during the investigation, and the whole frat was permanently shut down. The school was told by the police and the DA’s office that according to her statement no crimes had been committed. There should’ve been more of an investigated but that’s not the schools job that’s the police and DA. What more could the school have done?
I understand that but that’s a failure on the part of the campus police which is an entirely different entity than the school itself. The schools administration is limited to whatever information they get from the campus police and DA. What more could they have done with what they were given?
I’m not even disagreeing with that but how is that the schools fault? The school cant arrest anyone or even do a thorough investigation on their own and they were told by the people that did that no criminal charges were found. I agree that people should be in jail but being mad at the school itself is very misguided anger
The school did expel two of them and at the time they had zero grounds to expel the other five. A school can’t just expel students for being part of a sexual encounter that was said to be fully consensual at the time. And the Snapchat messages didn’t come out until this year so there was no way to even know about the other 50 guys. There was literally nothing else the school could’ve done at the time
I think you misread what I wrote or misinterpreted. I was saying that the reason I said she was drugged (she didn’t specify that but I interpreted as so) was because she went there to have fun with a friend and she ended up getting raped while incapacitated. She was absusdd by her friend AND others. The previous person I replied to said that I specified something that Jane Doe didn’t report.
She wasn’t just drunk, she was high on a psychedelic. She had never taken it before, she probably didn’t have any idea what day it was. They made her consume more drugs than she wanted to, they slapped her until she did then they grabbed and raped her. She was pushing them away and trying to hide her naked body from them. Stop normalizing rape