Anonymous ellie 6w

there is no such thing as the US government not supporting Israel. they are in the bed together. literally since it was founded in 1948

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Anonymous #2 6w

i really wonder would even mcdonald’s hire me with 34 convictions

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Anonymous #3 6w

very aware, however that does not absolve harris. supporting a genocide is supporting a genocide. a revolution is sorely needed

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Anonymous ellie 6w

so if every president is going to be supportive of genocide that’s not a point against Harris. that’s dumb.

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Anonymous ellie 6w

Girl I’m Palestinian. She was the better/only other option.

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Anonymous #3 6w

every president will also serve the interests of capitalism over the people. it is one million times over a point against them. the bourgeoisie will continue to bleed us dry as long as they maintain power.

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Anonymous OP 6w

as I said, she was better, but still not good.

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Anonymous #3 6w

No one can handle the truth of this. The US and Israel have a decades long relationship and the US needs an affluent ally in the Middle East. Behind closed doors I doubt most progressive politicians here are pro-Israel. Their hands are being forced.

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Anonymous OP 6w

hence why the system is corrupt and needs to be overturned.

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Anonymous ellie 6w

we’re not speaking in hypotheticals here though unfortunately this is reality. when you say “but ultimately still contributed” it reads like that’s not an inherent part of the position. there really is no but.

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Anonymous ellie 6w

I get that…but that’s not happening any time soon. Kamala would have been an incremental step towards progress.

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Anonymous OP 6w

kamala would have been another ineffective president like biden... she said she was going to do the exact same as him.

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Anonymous ellie 6w

💀 you literally don’t know that. I can’t engage anymore.

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Anonymous #3 6w

i'm not speaking in hypotheticals. backing israel ultimately lost her a ton of the progressive vote. it's honestly unconscionable to vote for someone contributing to an active genocide regardless.

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Anonymous OP 6w

SHE SAID IT HERSELF

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Anonymous OP 6w

like hello?!? i'm sorry i hold people to like human standards 😭. im sorry i wont support a genocider in any capacity

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Anonymous ellie 6w

She literally called for a ceasefire repeatedly and has never said she would be an ineffective leader/clone of Biden.

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Anonymous ellie 6w

Talking down to someone who actually has family impacted by this genocide is pretty wild. I’m just trying to be realistic.

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Anonymous OP 6w

she called for more arms to israel 😭 . she told pro palestine protesters to "shut up" live on air

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Anonymous ellie 6w

you’re still speaking about her as if backing Israel is a personal stance and not one of the government itself. I’m confused as to how that could make her lose votes because every presidential candidate is contributing to an active genocide ….

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maybe kamala should have just been a better candidate. telling anti-genocide protesters to "shut up" before promising more arms to israel lost her my vote. i hate trump, but i'm not going to cast a vote for someone who treats other people like that.

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Really well said. While we appreciate the support and visibility, a lot of virtue signaling going on within the movement. Shooting your own democracy in the foot does nothing to help us. One day, more progressive/ethical candidates will hopefully be contenders for the Oval Office. In this election, it was Kamala or a rapist. The choice was simple and in no way negated the necessity of radical social/political change and restructuring within the government.

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Anonymous OP 6w

oh awesome u unblocked me. lol

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Anonymous #5 6w

Who is doing that 💀

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Anonymous OP 6w

Why else would you post a pic of her smiling like “we could have had her”

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Anonymous #5 6w

Have you read anything I said? I literally am Palestinian.

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Anonymous #5 6w

oh so war criminals and genocide enablers are bad (agree with this) but literal child predators aren’t?

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Anonymous #7 6w

Uh all of the above are bad

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Anonymous #5 6w

yeah but one is hurting children. and women. and committing war crimes as well and destroying our country but people put him into office. and i never said that one isn’t bad, i literally agreed with you that war criminals and genocide enablers are terrible.

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Anonymous #7 6w

Yeah but you’re claiming I believe child predators aren’t bad when I never once suggested that lmao. Both are doing/did all of the above tho..

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Anonymous #5 6w

and you said to vote her in as a last resort. there were only 2 people in the last election that had a true chance of winning. her and trump. your comment implies the latter was the better choice. so either choose your words more carefully next time or admit that you support the child predator

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Anonymous #7 6w

Yeah why else would you vote for a war criminal unless it was a last resort bc the other option is more obviously worse? I’m implying she’s the last resort better choice… Support the child predator, what??

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Anonymous #5 6w

so choose your words more carefully next time. the way you worded your comment and replies made it seem like you thought she was the inferior choice. bid you adieu

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Anonymous #7 6w

Choose my words more carefully next time? Do you know what last resort means lmao

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Anonymous ellie 6w

Girl why are you lecturing an actual Palestinian and telling her her vote is “unconscionable?” On an objective level Trump is worse for Palestine, openly so. This is the guy who wanted to flatten it and turn it into a resort. Harris at least discussed a ceasefire. There were no good options on Palestine, but refusing to vote for Harris so you could virtue signal is part of the reason Trump got elected and actively facilitates genocide as well.

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Anonymous #8 6w

Seriously! Palestinians en masse actively said Harris was the way to go and to vote for her, knowing damn well tRump was worse, across the board, for everyone.

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Anonymous ellie 6w

right now the democrats cannot put up a progressive candidate because they will not get enough votes from moderates. someone like aoc would probably be great for our country and for us, but moderates and moderate republicans will not see it that way, they’ll see the democrats trying to push the “woke agenda” what we need right now is to put up a moderate democrat that can make BOTH sides happy. our most important goal rignt now is to win. elections. thats not gonna happen if we keep trying to

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Anonymous #7 6w

shove progressive democrats down republicans throats.

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Anonymous ellie 6w

you wanna talk about revolution but the us is on a far right trend and we’re not gonna go from that to dismantling capitalism overnight. it will take decades just to get back to where we were in 2015 in terms of progressiveness.

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Anonymous #10 6w

That’s exactly why we need revolution tho and actually moments like this are more ripe for revolution than times in history where we were placated more

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Anonymous #10 6w

And revolution doesn’t happen overnight

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Anonymous ellie 6w

your options were “genocide” and “some genocide but not as much” and you chose to opt out so you could feel good about your conscience. you can keep waiting for the revolution or you can try to make things better. your pick.

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Anonymous #5 6w

what is the revolution and how are you working to make it happen? because leftists like to talk about revolution the way evangelicals talk about the rapture.

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Anonymous #10 6w

A working class (proletarian) revolution where the proletariat seizes the means of production from the capital owning ruling class. Which would transition from a market economy (capitalism) to a planned one where wealth and means of production are distributed among the workers (socialism)

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Anonymous #10 6w

We can prepare for that moment by organizing now so that when the next crisis or opportunity arises, we have the organization to make a revolution successful. And we can prepare by rejecting capitalism’s individualism and relying on our community more. And by participating in mutual aid and organizing in labor unions, strikes, advocating for rental rights etc we can raise class consciousness to have a better organized and educated populace

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Anonymous #5 6w

why is the revolution something you’re preparing for, not something you’re making happen?

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Anonymous #10 6w

Bc the right conditions have to be in place for it to even be possible. Right now they don’t exist in the Us. But like 2020 could have been a moment. 2008 with the recession. Revolutions in another country or war, as well, could spark an opportune moment here. We’re not properly organized yet tho

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Anonymous #5 6w

girl. the “revolution” will never happen as long as we sit around waiting for the “right conditions”

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Anonymous #10 6w

Girl if a bunch of random ppl just starting doing shit rn nothing would come of it. You have to be organized and strategic, we’re not there yet in the US. Which is why we have to work on getting there. Organizing and raising class consciousness isn’t sitting around and doing nothing

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Anonymous #10 6w

They come like every 5-10 years, it’s not like we have to wait centuries

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Anonymous #10 6w

We had an opportunity this year too with trump, the ice raids, the Palestinian protests. If we were better organized, more could have come out of those skirmishes

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Anonymous #5 6w

i honestly just don’t think we’ll ever be “organized enough”.i think you guys will be waiting forever

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Anonymous #10 6w

We really don’t have any substantial and well organized Marxists organizations, our gov has tanked them all

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