That’s because they can’t afford to leave because most people aren’t getting paid a livable wage, much less a wage that they can afford to save money with. People are living paycheck to paycheck and the government is deporting people instead of helping literally anyone. I would leave if I could, but under this economy I probably will never be able to
Its a civil offense, not criminal, and you have to give people due process to make sure whether they were here illegally . And they shouldnt be going after families who have built their lives here, they shouldnt be detaining people when they show up to their appointments to renew their visas.
Who’s to say you won’t commit a worse crime? Should we lock up everyone to prevent crimes? I think you should just think about what you would be willing to do if your family was suffering; would you be okay with just sitting idly by while your kids and siblings are homeless and starving?
I’m not saying that we don’t have worse criminals but what they are doing is still illegal. And no we shouldn’t lock everyone up if they haven’t committed a crime but if they are committing a crime by being here then yes that should be fixed. If my family was suffering then we would all pitch in and get more jobs but we wouldn’t commit crimes. Are you saying that you wouldn’t have any problem committing crimes?
I’m gonna write my question one more time, in all caps. Please let me know if you are still having trouble reading it. HOW DOES SOMEONE IMMIGRATING HERE ILLEGALLY NEGATIVELY AFFECT AMERICAN SOCIETY? Not “because it’s illegal”, not “well other countries did it first”, tell me what tangible negative effects it has on society. I cannot be more clear and you cannot deflect any harder.
People who are legal citizens are being deported, you can look it up; there’s US citizens that are being kicked out, and also the deportation of non-US citizens is bad because of how Trump is doing it. He’s separating families, sending people to the wrong “home” country, and is sending toddlers to immigration court alone without family or a lawyer
Magats literally can’t help but say “THE LAW!! THE LAW!!! I HAVE NO JUSTIFICATION FOR MY VALUES BUT THE LAW SAYS THEY’RE CORRECT!!! I LOVE DEFLECTING I LOVE IT SOO MUCH” Stop telling me about the law, tell me why it is bad for someone to illegally immigrate here. What tangible negative effects occur as a result of illegal immigration?
People have jobs, but they aren’t getting paid a livable wage. even in the US people aren’t getting paid a livable wage, how do you think they’re getting paid in a country they’re so desperate to leave that they’ll risk their lives and cross illegally? Do you think they’re doing it for funsies? They’re doing it because it’s the only way they’ll survive
Also the culture difference just gets so annoying. Same with the language barrier, there are good people that are trying to integrate with American culture, but a lot do not. They act selfish and entitled in this place that they arnt even legally living in. They don’t even want to integrate into this boiling pot
“Wahh people speak different languages than me so now they have to be sent to concentration camps 😢😢” Grow the fuck up. America does not and has never had a national language. America is a melting pot of cultures. Always has been, always will be. Even if that weren’t true, how fucking dare you imply that your annoyance with other people’s cultures justifies fucking fascist tactics being used against them. You people are monsters.
Who’s safety is being threatened by immigrants? Why do you assume immigrants will commit more crime? Again, the man who’s dick you’re sucking is an actual convicted felon. He was fucking children on Epstein’s island, but the Mexican immigrant working at your grocery store is a bigger threat to your safety? You’re all nazis and history will see you as such.
that’s an incredibly privileged pov, some people don’t have the luxury of time. if someone‘s home nation broke out into civil war with urban warfare and civilian deaths, they don’t have the weeks or months necessary to go through the process. and you want to send them to their death because…? what did they do to deserve that other than want to live?
It’s just that I’ve had to remind you that equating legality with morality is cowardly in every single reply but you seem to forget it immediately afterwards. Did you get brain worms from the brain damaged United States Secretary of Health and Human Services that you support, who has dead brain worms rotting in his brain, who makes healthcare decisions for the entire country, who your child-rapist convicted felon president selected to be in charge of healthcare? That guy?
everyone’s mental health matters. but if you are going to come to a country for better opportunities and want to live here, go through the process of becoming a LEGAL citizen. i’m against people coming here illegally. if you go through the legal process, shit won’t come back and bite you in the ass
Well if a legal citizen gets accused of being an illegal immigrant, without due process, it doesn’t matter where they’re from. Saying anyone doesn’t deserve due process is a slippery slope, because someone just has to say your illegal and you’d be out because nobody has to check your papers
Im not saying you should die but the world would be a better place without hateful people like you in it. No fucking empathy. The people being deported are not criminals. They are people who want a better life for their children. A better life for themselves. Maybe if it didn’t cost your fucking soul to come legally more people would do it.
Without due process they don’t have to prove shit. They can accuse you and send you away without due process, because you don’t get a trial. That’s the whole point of due process. I think you should look up the definition of due process actually because it seems like you might not fully understand it, but it’s an important thing that you should learn about
The law does NOT decide right and wrong. See, republicans loooove clinging to the status quo and they are terrified of the fact that people who break it can actually make change. Segregation was legal. Do you think segregation was right? The holocaust was legal. Do you think the holocaust was right Inb4 you say “it’s not the same thing” because it is. If legality defines what is right and wrong then you would’ve been pro-segregation in the 50’s and pro-holocaust in the 40’s.
it’s not about being hateful. and i get people want to do right by their families and find a better opportunity for them. if they want it bad enough to not get caught, then they’ll go through the legal process. if they come in illegally, i’m sorry but they’re first in line to go🤷♀️
Colonialism. That’s the reason. The English had the most influence here, but the Dutch, Spanish, and French, were also large influences here. Are you not from the US or did you just sleep through all of social studies because this was all taught in school, it’s your fault you don’t know this common knowledge, stop making it other people’s problems!!!!
I’m not that desperate and I thankfully have people who could help me if I need it, but I have enough empathy that I could see how someone could get that desperate. Try putting yourself in their shoes; imagine that you make $14 an hour, you couldn’t afford housing so you’re homeless, you and your family are starving. Wouldn’t you be willing to commit a misdemeanor to keep your family alive? Steal some food from a gas station or hop the border? The crimes are of the same level
Plenty of people who live here speak another language, people from other countries outside of South America. Also, again, no national language, the common language even is going to change depending on where you are. Up north you’ll hear more French, down south Spanish, the United States is a melting pot of a country, that has always been the beauty of it. Why do you want to make the US a basket of white bread?
Ignoring the part where I stated that I’d rather understand the language in the place I’m living. I work in an industry where we are inconvenienced constantly by people who do not understand any English. And from the multiple times I have interacted with them, they don’t try to. There’s people that do want to learn and I have the upmost respect for them. I even use some spanish to try and limit how much of a process this is a little bit
repeating yourself and putting something in all caps doesn’t change the answer to the question you’re asking. read the replies! it’s illegal, therefore it is wrong!!!! i would love for you to try to go to another country illegal and PLEASE report back here and let us know it how it goes! i don’t understand why it’s perfectly fine when other countries don’t allow people to enter illegally but god forbid the US deports illegal immigrants
Also ICE is causing the problems. They are going to elementary school and middle school graduations to detain people. They are going to peoples jobs. They are going out of their way to detain innocent people who haven’t committed any serious crimes (even if they are illegal it is not a criminal offense). They are literally bringing back stop and frisk and detaining people who look a certain way or have an accent. These are not dangerous people for the most part, they are just normal people
What. The person just said a fake analogy of u letting ur family starve because u won’t steal bread. Hypothetical situation. And then u said there are no families starving in America. There are. Not like in Sudan or Congo of course but there are. Anyways ts is stupid ur stupid goodbye
And then when u get to the root of it, some laws are good (like u can’t murder someone, u can’t rape someone) those are logical and when u critically think about it and question it you say ya that’s a good law to have. Something like detaining and deporting people may need more critical thinking because they could be upstanding citizens and not deserve to be treated like trash. Yk
Ewww ok I am done😭😭 baiii. I just wanted to maybe get a little understanding from you but that’s not gonna happen so bye enjoy knowing ur on the wrong side of history (same side the people who supported Jim Crow, same side who supported Nazis, all far right and supported mass deportation oooo)
(Bro lies) Anywho since we are back to legality of illegal immigration, oh dear! It’s illegal! Big wow! That’s instilled in most if not all countries! Ik let’s make a lil country called shistain land and just experiment on making the bad laws not exist. Idk I think y’all would have a ball and this is no sarcasm
Ya it’s against the law but it’s a minor infraction it shouldn’t mean treating normal people like shit and detaining them and deporting them back to their war torn countries is what I’m saying. See u literally admit to not using critical thought because u just accept the surface level argument that illegal = bad and those people are bad people. Most of them are not
In case you haven’t noticed, immigrants are treated horribly in the US. They pay into the pot with their taxes and get nothing in return. Even those who are here legally often have to wait YEARS of paying taxes before they’re even considered for things like social security or Medicaid. We’ve given them far from “everything”. The privilege and lack of awareness in your comment is insane
Actually they’re not, when our immigration system is as backed up as it is, especially after the pandemic — there are millions of cases on the desk of USCIS right now, and people are waiting about 4-5 years to get a court date after getting past the initial application. So all this talk of “it’s so easy” is honestly ridiculous like just say you don’t know anything about how the process actually works
Not having proper documentation is a civil offense, which ISN’T punishable by jail time in most cases. It takes 10 seconds to fact check yourself. Also “They could have obtained citizenship but they chose not to” it takes YEARS to get immigration applications submitted and approved which isn’t an option for many people especially those who come due to dire circumstances in their home country. Find some humanity and I don’t know a sense of awareness
Oh my gosh, did you ever pay attention in history? Are you even listening to yourself? A nazi was a member of the national socialist German workers party controlled by Hitler from 1933 to 1945. We are trump supporters or republicans… which is a completely different thing. Fascism is extreme militarism and nationalism and only allows one political view which is not something I believe in. Try it again with something that you actually understand.
Baby do research. They are deporting citizens as well now. Not just illegal immigrants. He’s sending a lot of them to camps in a country they aren’t even from, sound familiar? Trump is the new Hitler. Coming here illegally is supposed to be a civil offense. Absolutely no reason these people should be treated as animals just because they came here for a better life.