Anonymous #6 17w

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Anonymous #8 17w

the reason why people turn to it is because they truly have no other option… and most porn isn’t consensual either and people think it is. those videos you see most of the time they’re forced to do them even tho they say consent is involved. implied consent is not consent.

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Anonymous #6 17w

sex worker! or sex work depending on context

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Anonymous #1 17w

I see what you’re saying but I also don’t think it makes much sense to say the producers aren’t at fault as much as the consumers are

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Anonymous #1 17w

i disagree. i think if you’re willingly participating in an industry that is inherently harmful to society then you’re a large part of the problem. esp by the time they get involved and see the industry from the inside. there’s no justification for it and i have a hard time believing that the majority of producers are ignorant to the negative impacts of their content.

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Anonymous #1 17w

selling your body is never empowering. there are so many other things to sell. it is dehumanizing and exploits women as something to use and discard for a price.

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Anonymous OP 17w

I’m not disagreeing with everything you’re saying, but I think you should take into account that many participants are doing so as a last resort. The education system and job market do not and have never set people up for any form of success hence sex work becoming the option they turn to

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Anonymous #18 17w

i understand and sympathize w that. that doesn’t change the fact that SW harms society as a whole. to me, that’s an explanation for why they do it but not a justification for the consequences of their actions.

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Anonymous OP 17w

Having more anger towards the people who create the content or perform the actions as last resort than those who watch it doesn’t make much sense to me. Yes it harms society significantly, however there is a reason that it exists they don’t do things and hope it gains traction or popularity to make money. There is a fan base of people who are already desiring it. Please be upset at them as they are also the ones who formed this whole thing

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Anonymous #18 17w

honestly i’m more mad at the people that created it than the ones that actually do it. i’m not mad at sex workers, but the creators of porn. if it was never created a lot of shit could’ve been avoided.

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Anonymous #8 17w

like you can absolutely hate an industry and the negative aspects of it/how its overall negative for everyone involved.

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Anonymous #8 17w

Agreed

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Anonymous #18 17w

men profiting off of exploiting other men and mainly women to get their millions. it’s the same shit in other industries too.

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Anonymous #8 17w

In most industries I think

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I think to an extent though that’s representative of the jobs that are more profitable vs more beneficial, but I understand

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Anonymous #20 17w

Exactly. It’s literally objectifying yourself. Like do you think people care about who you are or what kind of person you are once you start doing porn? No.

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so what point are you trying to make w this?

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Okay. Then all those people who watch it should find something else to do with their lives. Idc who watches it or who it features. It’s damaging to everyone.

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who is porn catered to? who does it ultimately benefit?

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So someone buying books is unethical? That’s consuming under capitalism. That’s not really a valid point. Labor as a doctor is exploitation? Therapists? Firefighters?

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it’s not bc it’s sexual in nature that i’m scrutinizing it. it has nothing to do w that. i’m a very sex positive person and fully advocate for people to embrace their own sexuality. that being said, it’s impossible to ignore how much more damage is caused by the sexual industry as opposed to something like the service industry.

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like you won’t catch me ever supporting the porn industry but that doesn’t mean i hate the people in it bc they are victims of an awful and corrupt system.

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refused to take it down***

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Where tf was I talking about that? I wasn’t disagreeing that something’s are. I’m just saying not ALL. Your damn phone was probably made just as unethically. And here you are, on your phone. Stop thinking everything is black and white and start doing some critical thinking about all other possibilities. It’s not an all or nothing thing.

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there is so much nuance that goes into this. it’s not just about posting and making money… a lot of OF models pimp out other people on OF and manage them and then turn around and take their money but you aren’t ready for that conversation.

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you’re fighting so hard to not admit the fact that the sex/porn industry is damaging to everyone and it’s concerning.

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no but you don’t have to be a cunt about it either.

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How about the woman whose SA was recorded and posted on PH? You have to admit that porn as an industry has deeply rooted negative aspects. And the people who watch that woman get SA’d and get off on it? They’re gonna want to do that irl. You see the problem here?

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Anonymous #19 17w

Women*

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i said all industries are harmful above and i get that… but so is the sex/porn industry which is what this post is about? i’m not going to comment on other industries when that’s not what OP is talking about specifically. i’m allowed to dislike an industry all i want, that does not mean i dislike the people in it. hating the sex/porn industry ≠ me hating sex workers. jesus christ.

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coal miners aren’t actively participating in an industry specifically built off misogyny. if you can’t see how much more harm the porn industry causes to women over any other industry then you’re feigning ignorance. i’m anticapitalist and i can acknowledge that some industries are much more harmful than other. and, for that reason, i’ll be much more outspoken towards those industries.

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it’s not about agency (although that’s a WILD take for something as predatory as the porn industry). it’s about the consequences of supporting these industries.

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Anonymous #8 17w

and thinking this way doesn’t make me a puritan and/or a purity culture freak. that’s not what this is about either. i’m a very sex positive person but that doesn’t mean i’m going to sit here and ignore how damaging porn is to people and how it can change their view on how sex is portrayed.

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you not admitting the fact that porn is damaging mentally, emotionally, and physically while also not admitting the fact that SA, rape, and other things are happening to minors as well tells me all i need to know about you and your morals.

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not liking an industry ≠ shaming or hating workers. i am begging you to get that through your small but useless brain.

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oh i see what this is. you want us to all pat u on the back and praise you for being morally higher than all of us. despite the fact that we’ve all agreed that capitalism is to blame for our problems and that any exploitation is wrong. you just hate that we can focus on one industry bc it doesn’t make ur viewpoint seem as woke. here’s ur gold star for being better than the rest of us ⭐️

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i shame cops just the same but i’m sure you’d have an argument about how they’re exploited too 🙄

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Anonymous OP 17w

this. i hate cops always have always will. lol.

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What helps me sleep at night is knowing people like you will never succeed to the point of making rules for society, because you don't even believe in human success at your core. I can't imagine the anxiety and resentment and bitterness you live with

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You're pulling buzzwords out of your ass now 😂

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i’m not miserable i’m saying i’m not going to follow suit with you. misery loves company and you keep intentionally missing the points of what was said by other people to make yourself feel morally superior.

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Anonymous #22 17w

If you got blocked, I got blocked too lmao. Bc I can’t see her comments either

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Anonymous #22 17w

i blocked her myself but other than that idk

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Anonymous #8 17w

i hit unblock all and i don’t see them anymore either lol

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Anonymous #19 17w

I reported her last comment so maybe she got booted lol

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Anonymous #17 17w

Empowerment is subjective. What makes someone feel “empowered” could feel irrelevant to someone else. Yea, SW is empowering to some. It isn’t to you and others, but that doesn’t take away from those who do find it empowering.

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Anonymous #17 17w

I think it can’t be underestimated how empowering to not have to live paycheck to paycheck anymore for someone who’re in that position. Is there part of that which is also dehumanizing? For a lot of people, yeah, but there is a lot of other work that can be dehumanizing too and sometimes for some people on the net it ends up being less so I would never want to do sex work, but if I were forced to choose between that and slaving away at an Amazon warehouse I’d pick the former.

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But people are vilifying them, whether in this thread or otherwise. It is not about “supporting” it, but supporting the people exploited under it and recognizing the trade offs behind them doing so. And there are people in government trying to push porn bans, which have a history in many countries in leading to big illegal porn industries that are even harder to stop from exploiting children and r*pe. Legal and regulated, because as long as theirs is a market, there will be an industry..

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Anonymous OP 17w

I do not support the porn industry but the military industrial complex does so much exponentially more harm to women than something like the porn industry does, and there are many others high on that list.

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Anonymous #24 17w

this isn’t meant to be an oppression olympics. i’m not here to compare which industry is more harmful between the sex industry and the military industrial complex. they’re not even really comparable. again, y’all are purposefully missing the point of this post in order to feel better about urself and ur stance. at the end of the day, the sex industry harms everyone that engages w it. on any level. regardless of desperation. regardless of how they ended up in that position.

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Anonymous #24 17w

you could easily change the language of this to “if i had to choose between working as a janitor or being a cop then I’d choose being a cop” and it’s the same idea that i’m getting across. you’re actively making the decision to participate in an industry that’s extremely harmful and vile. that’s your choice but it’s one that you should understand the consequences of. by participating you are supporting in that sense.

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Anonymous OP 17w

You said “if you can’t see how the porn industry does exponentially more harm to women than any other industry…” I do not know how else to interpret that other than you comparing which industry is more harmful and that is why I brought up the military industrial complex. I do not support the porn industry, I do not participate in nor consume it. And you are missing my point. I am not saying the industry doesn’t harm everyone who engaged with it, it does

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Anonymous OP 17w

The Amazon warehouse industry as it currently operates is extremely harmful and vile, and dehumanizing. The porn industry is also dehumanizing, but I don’t think it’s always moreso than being forced to piss in bottles. The porn industry is always harmful to participants in it, it also obviously provides benefits such as income which can get people out of dangerous situations, and for some people that makes it not a net harm, even it’s extremely damaging. Those people need another way out

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Anonymous #2 17w

I would agree it contribute to the normalizing of sexualization/objectification of women’s bodies, but I would strongly contest they it creates it. That idea is imbedded in the culture and deeply ingrained in our history, at many levels, and not limited to any kind of media. Undoing that is going to be a long and hard struggle

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