Anonymous #1 16w

literally. they say that being thin does more for your career than a degree

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Anonymous #2 16w

Yes I care about fatphobia and it’s highly concerning, yes

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Anonymous OP 16w

it's literally something you can fully change not some phobia or ism yall wanna be oppressed so bad

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Anonymous #2 16w

You say you don’t hate fat ppl but then say some ignorant and hateful shit like that

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Anonymous OP 16w

it's not hateful it's true. it's not a concrete characteristic

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Anonymous #2 16w

You literally only conditionally support them. They have to be a good fat that hates themselves

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Anonymous OP 16w

i wouldn't want them to hate themselves, no one should have to deal with that. but as with any medical issue seeking treatment improves qol. being obese is often a symptom of something else

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Anonymous #2 16w

You’re pushing a lot of rhetoric that leads ppl to hate themselves. Like I said, if you actually cared about their health you’d be respectful to their experience (not laugh at it) and treat them like they belong in the world at any size thru reasonable accommodations. Isolation and shame leads to worse health outcomes and that’s what you’re proposing when you say they don’t deserve accommodations to equitable access in society

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Anonymous OP 16w

i never laughed at their experience. i wouldn't be disrespectful to someone just bc they're fat. but people were not this big a couple generations ago, it's not normal it's a symptom of other things and a result of the fucked up greedy food corporations and the systems that let them exist. i'm not arguing against fat ppl existing and being respected on a personal level im arguing against the idea that being obese is normal, natural, and causes no negative outcomes. people can respect people--

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Anonymous OP 16w

--without enabling them, people can respect people without us all pretending like obesity is normal and shouldn't be treated or changed. if we just accept the problem as it is the systems that cause it won't change and the people who suffer from it will continue to suffer

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Anonymous #2 16w

Yeah you laughed at the concept of fatphobia repeatedly Why aren’t you targeting the systemic barriers to health and instead of singling out ppl who look a certain way? “Obese” is not an actual thing if you did research into it. It’s based off BMI which was never meant to assess health and only studied white men. We live in a very fatphobic society, they’re very much aware you think they’re at death’s door and are aware of what’s healthy. They’re not stupid. Ur making it about individualism

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Anonymous #2 16w

Enabling what? They’re literally just existing… again you’re talking about a body type and not diet and exercise. Who said to ignore inequitable health access? We shouldn’t. That’s what we should target. Not “individuals making bad choices”

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Anonymous OP 16w

the body type shows something it's not separate from everything else. i'm not even saying all obese ppl are "individuals who make bad choices" (though some are). what im saying is if a person is obese while eating and exercising a normal amount that should not just be written off and considered normal. there's likely something else going on, like pcos, hormone issues, gut flora imbalances, thyroid issues, that need to be addressed. and so arguing that obesity is normal and something ppl just---

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Anonymous OP 16w

--are discourages further medical examination. and figuring out and treating the underlying cause would improve qol. there's always a reason for someone to be that big it doesn't just happen it's thermodynamics

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Anonymous OP 16w

and obesity is absolutely a thing? bmi may not be a good scale but there's an amount of adipose tissue that does start causing negative health outcome and affecting a persons life

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