Anonymous #2 3w

“obviously a joke” when I went to school with a girl who would purposefully sexually assault men after getting them drunk and ignoring when they said no, weekend after weekend, when other girls and her entire sorority knew but ignored it because she was “just a girl” and she “does that sometimes”. “obviously a joke” when different girls made a game of finding men they didn’t know to steal valuables from because “they’re just men”. it’s not “obviously a joke” for more ppl than you’d think

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Anonymous OP 3w

and with the stealing, that was widespread. girls knew about that and either took part or said it was fun. again, these were almost always guys they didn’t know and had done nothing to them. I thought a lot of these jokes were funny for awhile but seeing how serious a lot of girls are about this shit is kind of scary. that’s not even all of the insane shit I’ve seen, there’s just a character limit

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Anonymous OP 3w

sorry i’m not arguing with someone who thinks misandry is a real problem

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Anonymous #2 3w

I’m not saying it’s WORSE than misogyny, which has been rampant for far longer and is more harmful. but I’m also saying misandry isn’t victimless. my best friend was raped, among a slew of other men, and it was all ignored because a girl did it. it’s not the same or even close to misogyny. but it’s not victimless, and there is a genuine problem. rape, and especially repeat rapists being defended, shouldn’t be brushed off and it’s insane that someone can be this flippant about it.

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Anonymous OP 3w

i need you to understand that male rape victims not being taken seriously is literally a product of misogyny, not misandry. it’s a direct result of women being so disenfranchised that they couldnt possibly commit sexual violence against men (/s)

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Anonymous #2 3w

the attitude of “supporting women’s rights and wrongs” and doing shit like raping men or stealing from them specifically because they are men and out of some idea that it’s feminism and they’re “just men” which is exactly how I’ve heard it justified in those situations, isn’t misogyny. men not taking other men seriously as victims, yes. women not taking men seriously as victims specifically from the belief that “it couldn’t happen to a man,” yes. the willful ignorance I’ve seen is different

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Anonymous OP 3w

you’re still conflating individual behaviors with systemic issues. op didn’t say raping men is okay just because they’re men, and more importantly, there isn’t a dominant culture among women saying it’s okay to rape and steal from and abuse men. there IS a dominant culture among men saying it’s okay to rape and abuse women, and statements like the original post are a direct response to that. and no i’m not justifying or saying its ok

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Anonymous #2 3w

my point is that kind of rhetoric gets harmful and it’s not really funny or a good response - as a “direct response” to someone doing fucked shit, saying “I support OTHER people doing fucked shit” just justifies shitty and hateful behavior. what I experienced wasn’t just one person, or just a few people. it was a culture of people excusing that behavior. it starts with “it’s okay for women to do wrong things because they’re women” and it spirals a LOT faster than you’d think

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Anonymous #2 3w

also, I thought this was clear but I’m not arguing with op about raping men, I’m arguing with you because I specifically addressed that and you misinterpreted that as me talking about victims not being taken seriously rather than what I was actually taking about, which is female rapists/SAers being defended or allowed a pass by other women just because they’re women

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Anonymous OP 3w

okay? that does not in any way change what i said. female abusers are given a pass by men just as often, if not more, than by women and its still due to misogyny. there is not a dominant culture of women justifying violence against men. evidently that culture exists, but it’s not the dominant one.

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Anonymous #2 3w

never said it was the dominant one, I just said it’s still fucked up. my entire point is that while misogyny is obviously a major issue in our society and is much more deep seated and harmful, that doesn’t mean justifying any kind of violence or wrongs based solely on gender is okay for either side. it’s not nearly as much of an issue as with men, but that doesn’t mean it’s not an issue at all

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