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crazy that the party that believes life begins at conception is offering $5,000 to a family after the baby is BORN??? holy contradiction
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Anonymous 16w

It’s because they don’t want people to get pregnant, take the money, then abort

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Anonymous 16w

$5k wouldn’t even be close to covering the medical bill. It’s hilarious that they think that’s gonna make people want kids in this economy

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Anonymous 16w

AND YES FUNDS ARE BEING CUT FOR MEDICAID, im in the field of public health and theyre cutting funds for resources like TELEHEALTH AND HIGH RISK PREGNANCY

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Anonymous 16w

#holyairball

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Anonymous 16w

maybe so you don’t receive the money and then kill the baby?

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Anonymous 16w

they’ve always been pro birth not pro life

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Anonymous 16w

ah yes. the party of hypocrisy

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Anonymous 16w

$5000 does nothing, too. But it will convince some people who aren't smart enough to know that to just keep pumping out babies

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Anonymous 16w

I feel like even with that, how many abandoned babies there’d be or how many babies could die. Like it wouldn’t be the first time someone killed their baby after giving birth.

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Anonymous 16w

the pro lifers are finding this oh no

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Anonymous 16w

$5,000 won’t even be enough to cover the hospital bill mind you 😭😭😭

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Anonymous 16w

Abortion is legal in 3/4 of states though

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Anonymous 16w

so people don’t scam?

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Anonymous 16w

Omfg, you’re just trying to grab at anything

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Anonymous 16w

i’m not even republican and i know this post is stupid af. yall have no arguments. ever. embarrassing

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Anonymous 16w

i think use of common sense would tell u why😐 clearly not everyone keeps their baby some people kill it 🫵

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 16w

That. Part.

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Anonymous 16w

Thank you for shedding light on yet another systemic issue we have in this country. You are correct, a majority of this country does have shit/no health insurance! Thanks for adding this insight <3

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Anonymous 16w

It’s giving “don’t be poor” 👍

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Anonymous 16w

Buddy my insurance is great and I still have empathy for those who don’t. It’s not that simple. Not all jobs provide insurance, and the ones who do are harder to get. That aside, most of the time it’s government insurance which is shit. Why does it bother you so much that other people also deserve the nice things you have…?

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Anonymous replying to -> #8 16w

WHO ARE U TALKING TO😭🤣 i was literally homeless months ago, i’m as poor as it comes and still have insurance 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

Then you should have better perspective on why paying for higher quality insurance isn’t always a possibility lmfao

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Anonymous 16w

But now we’re right back at square one. Medicaid is shitty insurance, which doesn’t cover things in full. ie: childbirth. Your logic is circular.

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Anonymous replying to -> #8 16w

“higher quality” even cheap insurance is good. yall stay in the victim mindset and refuse to see reality.

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Anonymous 16w

I’m really sorry you have gone thru the things you have & it’s caused you to project this much anger towards others who are suffering. I’m glad you were able to get out of homelessness and accessed resources, the problem is those resources that saved you are being taken away. I’m also sorry your experiences took away your empathy for those in your situation. I understand it’s frustrating that you got out & they won’t do the work — however, understand situations differ and empathy always wins …

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 16w

they are not being taken away oh my fucking god if y’all don’t do some actual research and not piggy back off others RUMORS i will loose my fucking mind😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

No tf it isn’t 💀 the copays you deal with with the majority of cheap insurance are pure insanity. Cheap insurance did jack shit for medication that literally helps keep my father alive. Maybe do a little introspection on the situation you apparently came out of and grow a little empathy from it

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

Resources are being defunded. This is true… it’s not rumors at all?

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Anonymous replying to -> #8 16w

THEN GET MEDICAIDDDDDD JESUS FUCKING CHRIST 😭😭🤣

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 16w

no they are not😐 please read a fucking book u uneducated liberal what are u 12? u can’t research for ur own?

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

Not everybody qualifies for Medicaid either idk why this is a hard concept for you to compute girlie

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

Why are you so angry? It breaks my heart truly … be happy you made it out of poverty and did better for yourself? Why carry so much bitterness from it?

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Anonymous replying to -> #8 16w

yea so mostly everyone does, anyone with a low income actually

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 16w

because yall lack common sense and education so bad it’s embarrassing like i can’t believe this is our country’s population it infuriates me that there people this fucking dumb

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

Hey so actually books aren’t being written quick enough to keep up with modern events! So we keep up with them in my uni classroom where I learn about the resources that are in fact being cut!! Hope this helps :)

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

Yea except that’s still a very niche bracket they’re looking for. If you’re like the average middle class person they say you don’t qualify even though it’s still a shitty cost out of your pocket every year to provide your own insurance. If that was actually they case then people that actually needed it wouldn’t be complaining

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

I can tell, have you ever considered allocating this energy into something more productive that doesn’t take up so much of your mental capacity?

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 16w

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA “in MY UnI CLasRoOm” 😭🤣😭🤣🤣 i’m actually so weak im actually rolling up did not just say ur getting information via a highly liberal professor and not for yourself 😭🤣😭🤣😭😭

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

Yes ! I did :) I also do research for myself, but all my professors keep us up to date with current events ❤️ I don’t think it’s a laughing matter to be educated

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 16w

clearly u didn’t or u wouldn’t be saying that because it’s literally right there saying ur wrong, people have been saying this for the past 2 months and it’s been proven false how many times? like jesus it’s so embarrassing

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Anonymous 16w

That’s what you think you’re doing? You haven’t done one thing except complain that other people can’t do what you achieved. I did not mention anything about unborn children, just agree that hospital bills are high. What you’re actually doing is projecting your anger from being homeless and struggling onto others. What’s worse is it seems most of these people HAVE insurance. You’re just yelling to vent on an anonymous app… im sorry this ur only outlet :/ are you scared of being yourself?

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

Here is an article from your favorite source, Fox News, stating food stamps are being cut https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/house-gops-big-beautiful-bill-includes-billions-cuts-food-stamps-places-more-costs-states.amp

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 16w

liveee in the victim mindset liveeee in it that’s alll yall do 🤣🤣 thank god for educated people and thank god it’s not yall running our country, like seriously thank u jesus

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 16w

yea so read up on that and the actual “cuts” being made u just proved my point🤣😭🤣😭🤣😭🤣🫵🫵🫵

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

So that you admitting that the people who are running this country are extremely uneducated? Congrats! You solved it :)

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Anonymous 16w

Do you do this all day long ?

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 16w

Looks like they do yeah

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 16w

it’s their only hobby since losing all of their friends for not supporting basic healthcare 😩

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Anonymous 16w

Use. Commas. And. Proper. Punctuation. Then. Your. Sentences. Won’t. Be. Presented. As. Sarcastic.

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Anonymous replying to -> #9 16w

It’s actually sad to me like I’m not joking when I say that. I genuinely think they have lost everybody - they randomly trauma dumped about homelessness on an anonymous app. That’s giving call for help. She’s calling everybody stupid and attacking everybody with no one reciprocating that energy 🤣

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Anonymous 16w

Maybe if ur mommy and daddy werent there to help support you as you got on ir own two feet u wouldn’t be saying this 😭😭

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 16w

It’s bizarre to see how people process things differently honestly. I was not homeless but I did come from a rough financial background and my family and I were fortunate to come out of it. All I learned from it was that our system’s very broken and I don’t want that for other people 🤷‍♀️ guess that’s me though.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 16w

you cannot reason with someone like that, you could provide hard evidence and they will still scream from the rooftops about how we’re the “uneducated” party. abortion is an ethical debate in itself, but since Trump took office it’s been worse. save your energy for bigger battles 💓

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Anonymous replying to -> #8 16w

Literally same… everything I was exposed to just made me want to prevent it from happening to others in the future … I don’t get how you become mad at the people in the spot you used to be in ???

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Anonymous 16w

“Common sense” but ur ass was supposedly homeless while talking about “just apply for medicaid and stop complaining about the systemm~” looks like u are either lying or learned nothing

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 16w

It’s not a baby but close!

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Anonymous 16w

please just look up how much a hospital bill alone is. with insurance my friends was $44k it’s expensive no matter the insurance!

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Anonymous 16w

If you have a c section or any complications, it’s easy for a hospital bill to be closer to 10k or even more, even after insurance

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Anonymous replying to -> #17 16w

Without insurance it’s closer to 100k or more very often

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

i have medicaid and i have to pay over $100/month just for medication that i need… ER visits i’ve had to pay thousands of dollars for… i have to pay a copay on EVERY SINGLE APPOINTMENT… idk what you’re pulling out of your ass, but that’s definitely not “everything for free on medicaid”

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Anonymous replying to -> #17 16w

Like idk why that’s so hard to believe when insurance in general in this country is so shitty and manipulative. I even just had my wisdom teeth removed and didn’t realize that it covered most of the actual extractions but not the anesthesia which was over a thousand dollars alone

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Anonymous 16w

Fr! And some of these rep farmers were at the state capitol asking for help (or as they would call it usually “handouts”) as if they didnt vote for ts 😭😭 its all contradictory

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

Not anyone with a low income. I’ve applied, I get food stamps because I can’t even afford to get groceries in this economy to feed myself. I’ve been rejected by Medicaid every time. Be so fucking for real.

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 16w

and even if it did cover the medical bill, raising a child is a hell of a lot more expensive than $5000 total. i just don’t see how that’s an incentive

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

Cry me a river 🩰🩰

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Anonymous 16w

stfu

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Anonymous 16w

and then after the baby is born? how pro life will they be then, when the family doesn’t have the means to support a child they may not have had otherwise?

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

actually they weren’t 😄 did it all by myself 👏

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 16w

And it’s not killing!

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Anonymous 16w

My insurance is amazing. Having a baby can be up to $100k I’m going to have to cover way more than 5k for the hospital alone. This does not include the thousands of dollars of baby items needed prior to the baby’s birth such as: a crib, changing station, diapers, sippy cups, milk warmer, breast pump, female “diapers”, baby clothes, bath stuff, baby proofing equipment, medicine (born for mom and baby), baby oil, formula if your baby cannot have milk(but you’d still need the breast pump),prenatals

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 16w

& the people downvoting is proving my point😭🤣 embarrassinggggg

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Anonymous replying to -> #26 16w

Car seat, stroller, wipes, toys, the list is literally never ending and maybe if Trump wants more kids he’s give out $200k to help

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 16w

Me when i act clueless (theres entire threads below this post making good points)

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Anonymous 16w

Oooo ur maddd 🤣🤣 if i voted for a shit economy as a normal working class amaerican citizen to find out it was also going to affect me, i would be mad too. Also i dont even give much of af about when they give you the money; its the fact that they really think 5k can help people KEEP child in this economy

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Anonymous 16w

Also calling me a dumb bitch while being overlooking the fact that nowadays 5k is not much (esp for having kids) screams r/im14andIamsosmartformyage 🤓

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Anonymous 16w

zygotes/fetuses do not immediately have a heartbeat, and even if they did, heartbeat laws are ridiculous. a heartbeat does not make a life. if that was the case braindead people would be considered alive

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Anonymous replying to -> #8 16w

there’s people who pay almost 1,000 for insurance yet it’s still shitty 😒 there’s also people who have 2 insurances yet still shitty coverage. there’s also people who have medicare/medicare THAT STILL HAS SHITTY COPAY. not everyone can apply for them and get accepted. and yes, there are resources from medicare/Medicaid that are being cut. including food stamps. so, don’t act like you know everyone’s situation 💀

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Anonymous replying to -> #29 16w

Exactly

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Anonymous 16w

no, it’s starts as a cell. A CELL. it’s not even a damn baby as soon as you find out you’re pregnant. are you a boy because that will explain a lot, if your a girl then wow.

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Anonymous 16w

well, i didn’t mean to put it like that. i simply was just stating that so many boys have their opinions on girls body when they shouldn’t even have one since their not the ones carrying. its sad seeing some women agree with the boys. that’s what i was referring to.

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Anonymous 16w

As someone actively pregnant and ready to meet my little nugget one day, they’re not a baby yet. They look like a literal alien, they have no way of surviving outside of my uterus, if anything happens to them now it’s before they have a soul, before they have a brain to know who I am or what they are, and that helps me sleep at night with all of the risks that occur early on to know that if they can make it to grow long enough they will one day be a baby.

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Anonymous replying to -> #26 16w

To say it’s not killing is crazy. Even if it’s a fetus/zygote/baby it has a potential to grow, its own DNA, and stem cells that are building it. So terminating it would indeed mean killing it because you’re killing something that is actively growing

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

no one said it’s to “help people keep the child” if u don’t want the free 5k don’t take it go kill ur baby u pos yall disgusting

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

Mf, idk if you are conscious of what is happening, but the gov is worried about the birth rate, so theyre trying to give people 5k to encourage them to have kids, but many are having kids BC THEY CANT AFFORD IT and 5K IS NOT CLOSE TO ENOUGH!

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

And i cant be a pos bc i never said i wanted to “kill my baby”. Im not pregnant and i wont be bc im on birth control; i want to have kids when i KNOW i can afford them and GIVE THEM A GOOD LIFE WITH OPPORTUNITIES. Only a dumb mfer would shit out babies like its a sport knowing they cant give them a good life…. Like the red hatters who dont even believe in education lmao

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 16w

Interesting wording

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Anonymous 16w

my friend is pregnant and she’s high risk, she won’t consider her fetus a child until she gives birth. my mom was the same way. i’m a rainbow baby. everyone is completely different but for you to sit there and hate on those who are educated on the insurance, the pregnancy stages, and basically calling abortions pathetic makes you pathetic.

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Anonymous 16w

no one cares that you’re pregnant. go have your baby and not care about what childless people do. you should not care this much about what people decide to do with their bodies

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Anonymous replying to -> #34 16w

nope i will continue to stand up for children who can’t speak for themselves. don’t be a killer and i won’t call u out 🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

are you okay with rape victims being forced to carry their rapists baby and give birth to it no matter how old they are? yes or no?

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

You must’ve just gotten out of church 😂😂 is that what they talked about today?

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

me when i have no argument and prove someone else’s point by being stupid and embarrassing

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 16w

calling someone stupid isn’t an argument either fyi

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 16w

So much name calling for such a “rational” person 😚

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 16w

it’s kind of weird that women choosing to have/not to have kids is an argument in the first place. how about we mind the business that pays our Medicaid

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

let’s backtrack a little here and re read your first comment, see where you called me “clueless”? you name call, then when someone else name calls YOU, you cry and whine abt it? don’t throw rocks from a glass house. and is the argument in the room with us? you are LITERALLY proving my point, by acting stupid, and clueless🩷💀 i’m weakkkk fuckin embarrassing

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 16w

ok so you could’ve explained your argument in the time that it took you to write your little clap back

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Anonymous replying to -> #29 16w

where’s your argument? i said what i said. i have an argument. no one here talking to you lmfaooo. stay mad. bc i’m still getting a full 8 hours tonight, child

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 16w

my argument is mind your goddamn business and stop caring about what women do with their bodies. you are too busy sounding like an unintelligible teenager to realize that no one cares about what you’re saying

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Anonymous replying to -> #34 16w

that’s not what tf this post is even about, and that’s not what tf my comment is abt. again, proving my point 🩷

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 16w

life doesn’t begin at conception! the end!

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Anonymous replying to -> #34 16w

yes it does, the end!

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Anonymous 16w

The fact that i didnt call you clueless but claim that you are ACTING CLUELESS. Theres a difference. And then youre insulting me and then youre claiming that we are acting like babies? And thinking that youre eating down when youre having a panic attack from your hut? 🛖

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 16w

You sound like a 13 yr old arguing after discovering tiktok…. You did not eat dow 😭😭

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 16w

pic

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Anonymous replying to -> #34 16w

nope actually i just have basic morals and don’t like murder is okay ! 🤨

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Anonymous replying to -> #33 16w

seriously, this comment section is a great place to find accounts to block 💀

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Anonymous replying to -> #29 16w

ik i blocked 3 fr

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

grow tf up. i’m embarrassed for you. and i promise idgaf abt whatever tf you’re even saying. you have no job, no life, nothing, tobe arguing like a keyboard warrior in an ANONYMOUS app. whatever tf you’re saying is automatically invalid. get a fucking life. the end.

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 16w

And how does that make me any different from you if youre doing the same thing? Self projection or you have low self esteem to suddenly be the expert of my lfie? Where did you get ur psychiatrist license Dr? 😭😭

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

all i said was yall have no argument. YOU came up under me.you been in this comment section for HOURSSSS being a keyboard warrior trying to prove a point you can’t even prove because again YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT. you project, project, and project until you can’t project anymore. it’s like you have issues or something you can’t cope with so you go onto an anonymous app to deal with it. and if that’s not the most immature thing you could’ve replied with idk what is 😭you really need to grow tf up.

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

you’ve literally been replying to EVERY. SINGLE. COMMENT. in this damn comment section. if that doesn’t prove you have no life idk what does. idk what you got going on personally, but it must be pretty deep for you to seriously have nothing better to do. and that’s what i’m gonna leave it at. because this truly says more about you than it does me, i promise you. i’m pro choice, so idk what tf pisses you off so god damn much about me saying yall got no argument. do better

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

I want to know why you won’t reply to #33 🤨 and also may i add, do you agree with the case of Adriana Smith 🤨🤨

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Anonymous replying to -> #11 16w

“Its like you have issues or something” i noticed that you started to backtrack when i get defending my point, are you tired? Are you mad that i responded to a comment on an app? Then let me break it down for you; if you dont want to get mad at replies, then dont comment on a controversial post. The one who searches for something will find it and you are no exception. You want to talk about immaturity but clearly you havent learned that yet.

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Anonymous replying to -> #34 16w

Nothing wrong with being conservative religious 🤷‍♀️. Don’t know why we’re laughing about it

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Anonymous replying to -> #28 16w

there’s no #33 in this thread and no

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

What part of my comment shows i haven’t learned maturity? i’m shutting this tf down. bc you’re being an annoying child. you’re continuing to project and it’s hilarious 😭😭 God. grow tf up. you should be embarrassed you’re using this energy here instead of actually protesting. you could def get a point across if you converted to something more mature.

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Anonymous 16w

So we have to MOURN every month for not bring pregnant ? 🤡🤡

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Anonymous 16w

If my mom chose to have a first trimester abortion with me I mean I would never know but that’d be fine with me and I’d understand

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Anonymous 16w

BRUH get a life how do you have 7 hours to debate this😭😭😭😭

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 16w

on a 5 hour car ride i gots plenty of time

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

Too high to drive?

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

please talk to the people in your car or something damn🙏 develop some social skills pls. touch some grass. live in the real world.

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Anonymous 16w

dehumanizing HUMAN babies is disgusting. my child knows right from wrong and would never kill someone what the fuck is actually wrong with yall serial killers

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 16w

oh trust we’re all laughing our asses off at y’all 😂😂😂😂

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

i don’t do drugs 😍

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

Judging other mothers and going to shake some ass on the beach but has a kid, okkkkk. Shouldnt you do ur fucking job and be at home with ur poor offspring if you want to talk about being a “good mother”??

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

You probably dont know who the father. Shame shameee

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

Clearly youve taken SOMETHING. Or maybe got dropped at some point

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

shake some ass at the beach ? what are u talking about? my children are with me we’re going on a family beach trip where did u get this idea from?? i’m not a slut who “shakes ass” tf🤨

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

Cmonnn lets not lie, thats a sin 😚

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Anonymous 16w

and there’s also hundreds who are clowning yall so that’s fine not everyone has morals 👏

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

no one lying babes, get help for the issues u have, we’re praying for u🤍

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

I wont want prayers from someone who will be in HELL, biblically speaking 🩰🩰

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

says the one that’s all for killing babies which god says “i knew u before u we’re formed in ur mother womb” yea okay take ur logic somewhere else im still praying for u.

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

In the original older scriptures (which are way closer to the raw truth of god) the mothers well being is ALWAYS before the being IN HER WOMB. And youre cherrypicking. So no.

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

yea so umm that was a very illogical statement and shows u haven’t read the bible 😭🤣 “in the original older scriptures”🫵😭

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Anonymous 16w

if u kill a human being ur a murder, that’s a fact. my children know murder is wrong, they know that they’re gifts from god and we live by his word. we do not kill. murder is the ending of a life, when u get an abortion u are ending the life that god created therefor u are a murderer.

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

Because theres so many versions of it. I was referring to the OLDER VERSIONS that still the ORIGINAL GUIDELINES FOR THE ABORTION DEBATE. Theyre in Hebrew saying that things like abortion can be justified if the mother is not feeling well

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

Can you please state the scripture?

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

sweetheart read the bible before u try to school me on the old testament when jesus died on the cross he gave his life and took on all the sin and the old testament laws… that’s like the most known thing i fear… 🤨🧐

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

Ooo but its perfectly fine to use some scriptures to be hateful and wish bad upon people and having a righteous the size of Kim Ks ass ?

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Anonymous replying to -> #31 16w

In Exodus 21 the scripture says that the mothers life is more valuable than the baby in her womb and jewish people (the chosen people who follow the original scriptures in their unmodified state) believe that fetuses have no soul bc in their philosophy, life does NOT begin at conception

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

no one’s being hateful i’m educated yall… murder is murder. the fact that yall dehumanize children is insane like actually mental …

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

exodus is the old testament. once again stop trying to school someone when u clearly don’t know basic facts of the bible that even atheist know 😐

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 16w

So about the gay thing in leviticus, which is in the old testament, is being gay acceptable then?

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Anonymous replying to -> #10 16w

“When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life,” ‭‭Exodus‬ ‭21‬:‭22‬-‭23‬ ‭ESV‬‬ The OT acknowledges that the fetus does have a life within the womb cause any damage that is done to the fetus should be repaid life for life

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Anonymous replying to -> #39 16w

Depends on the definition. Yes it is however a large amount ban it after 6weeks which majority find out they’re pregnant at 7-9

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