Anonymous #2 6w

Right?? Worried about sleeping with more than one person but has no issue with paedophilia…

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Anonymous #1 6w

It’s been quite the journey but feels good to let go of all the brainwashing, fear mongering, guilt and shame ❤️‍🩹

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Anonymous #3 6w

Fr this idea that worldly desires that don’t harm anyone are evil and punishable by eternal damnation is so absurd to me. So someone can go on a killing spree, repent and be granted paradise but a person who lives their life helping people can burn for eternity bc they don’t believe in a god or picked the wrong one to believe in?? Twisted shit

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Anonymous OP 6w

exactly!! like i’m an atheist, but i honestly love the whole “love thy neighbor” thing. treat everyone with love and acceptance. but because i don’t believe in heaven, hell, or god, im an asshole?? like what😭

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Anonymous OP 6w

I’m so happy for you! ❤️ I’m glad it’s becoming safer for many to leave and find joy without the burdens that come with it.

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Anonymous #3 6w

fr religion is all man made for control anyway

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Anonymous tranada 6w

Yeah I’m a middle eastern raised by a very devout Muslim family

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Anonymous #3 6w

this is why i am a panthiest!!

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Anonymous #1 6w

And if you call it out they accuse you of being Islamophobic

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Anonymous #2 6w

And then I share that I hate all of the abrahamic branches 😂

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Anonymous #2 6w

I get told I’m an ex Muslim obsessed with Islam (when it’s clear I’m not interested in repenting at least and they’ve tried scaring me back into believing) 🤦🏻‍♀️

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Anonymous OP 6w

EXACTLY!!!!!! I don’t do religion because it condemns the wrong shit. And by being a woman or non gender conforming apparently you are bad?! I feel bad for women who are socialized to feel inferior just because of some “holy book” meant to enforce the patriarchy

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Anonymous OP 6w

well i’m proud of you i know that was a very hard decision to make.

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Anonymous OP 6w

My friend is ex Muslim. She said it’s incredibly damaging to women and artificially restrictive. There’s a reason why religion tends to weave trauma especially for girls.

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Anonymous #10 6w

The Bible describes him as a good Dad. And a good Dad lovingly disciplines his kids. You ever dealt with a kid that doesn’t get disciplined? They are horrible. If you love your kids you’ll lovingly discipline them and steer them towards good behavior, forgive them when they mess up, lovingly correct/teach them, and that’s what God does.

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Anonymous #10 6w

Yep ok. But tell me why not conforming to gender rules or being a woman is inherently bad. Neither of those two circumstances cause degradation in quality of life for people. Also premarital sex may reduce a woman or man’s likelihood of ending up with an abusive partner.

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Anonymous #10 6w

First and foremost, I’ve been referencing Islam and because of my upbringing I really can’t comment on Christianity so I don’t see much relevance to your comment but I’ll respond with connections I can extrapolate back to Islam. This language of obedience is extremely paternalistic and simplifies humans to impulsive creatures when plenty of irreligious people are capable of emotional control and discipline—I work in healthcare and meet atheist doctors everyday with all those qualities.

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Anonymous #10 6w

Second, emotional attachment issues bc of hookup culture DO NOT COMPARE TO MURDER ARE YOU INSANE. That’ll be all.

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Anonymous #10 6w

There's no distinction between "major" and "minor" sins. The idea that some sins are less significant suggests that they are somehow "purer" or less wrong than others, which isn't the case. All sins are equal in that they separate us from a perfect standard. So, regardless of their perceived severity, sin is still sin.

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Anonymous #10 6w

Treating all sins equally promotes fairness by removing hierarchies of “less wrong” and wrong. It holds everyone to the same standard, emphasizing personal responsibility. Recognizing that even "minor" sins can have significant impacts encourages growth and accountability for all.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Sorry I’m just reading some of the responses now. I think we were all born with a moral code written on our hearts by God.

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Anonymous #10 6w

So would you agree that some churches stray pretty far from god and that some of the “sins” many Christians echo are actually a misread of the Bible?

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Anonymous #9 6w

Reduce a woman or man’s likelihood of ending up with an abusive partner? Can you explain what you mean by that? I haven’t heard that before.

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Anonymous #9 6w

Yes I do feel like a lot of churches tend stray pretty far from God unfortunately, and a lot of people are misreading the Bible or skipping over the passages that dont fit their agenda.

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Anonymous #10 6w

Men often use sex as a way to manipulate a woman either with threats or intimidation or couple it with emotional abuse. Women who have been sexually restricted (by religion or parents) sometimes feel uncomfortable with their bodies or the idea of sex, such that it becomes a weapon against them…

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Anonymous #9 6w

Yes I have personally experienced this

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Anonymous #10 6w

Oh my. Again, we’re operating off two VERY different bases here. Islam does distinguish between major and minor sins, which is why I made this whole post finding it absurd that premarital sex is up there with murder. Islam also has a class of actions that are not outright sins but disliked / makruuh. Why did you think it makes sense to bring up Christianity here? Islam literally rejects Jesus as being god, rather he’s a prophet, so what are you defending exactly

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Anonymous OP 6w

I agree with you that the Islamic post is absurd but for different reasons.

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Anonymous #10 6w

You plugging Christianity into this conversation is disingenuous though. I am sure there are plenty of people on here who can refute the points you’ve made and their paternalistic, inherently misogynistic basis. But that’s not me bc I don’t know Christian theology like that so we simply cant go band for band because often times these arguments boil down to TEXT.

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Anonymous #10 6w

“The bible says you can beat the shit out of kids, so it’s okay! And so is slavery and genocide! 😍”

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Anonymous #11 6w

Not saying my religion/community is perfect, bc it’s far from that. But I genuinely believe questioning stuff like that is sooooo important

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Anonymous #11 6w

What religion you a part of?

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Anonymous #9 6w

I’m jewish an in our culture it’s pretty normal and often encouraged by religious leaders to question everything, even stuff in the Torah

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Anonymous #11 6w

Girlllll even WITH the questioning, Judaism has many problematic practices that Islam literally adopted 😭😭 I’m actually so over Christians and Jewish ppl tryna pull out the “well actually ☝🏼“ like does your religion not consider a woman impure for a longer period of time when she gives birth to a girl over a son?? You can word it however you want or distance yourself from orthodoxy but I call bs when liberal Muslims do it and same with Christians and Jews. The teachings are inherently flawed

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Anonymous OP 6w

Exactlyyyyy. It feels soo motivated in the patriarchy… it’s like no I don’t agree that women are lesser than. HAVE YOU SEEN A GIRL WORK ANYWAY? Countries with women leaders are generally happier anyway and you say women aren’t built for leadership. Patriarchy my ass.

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Anonymous OP 6w

I literally said that Judaism isn’t perfect 😭 I just like how you can question shi 💀✌️

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Anonymous #11 6w

I can appreciate if your practice is more so spiritual but genuinely how do you disentangle any progressive beliefs you may have from the religion as it was conceived? Maybe Judaism does have more leeway with this sort of personal / sect-based interpretation but I’ve always learned religion as rigid and perfect. That it’s humans who try to “soften” it but that’s not how it was intended

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Anonymous #11 6w

But that wasn’t our criticism of Islam 😭 we were talking abt the misogyny not the ability to question from the start lol. A lot of us aren’t even questioning anymore, we’re out

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Anonymous OP 6w

All I’m saying is that being able to question shi like that would probably allow people to question specific practices that can be seen as misogynistic/cult like/etc. and think for themselves

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Anonymous #9 6w

You’re such a rational individual I adore you 😭 bc the hoops and justifications and championing of good parts of religion some ppl are doing is giving me a headache. Like hey! We can have all that good morality and treatment of other ppl without subjugating women! Without telling preteen girls to cover up or be labeled as whores! Without stigmatizing and killing queer folks! All wonderful, wonderful things we’re doing rn no thanks to patriarchal ass religions 🤦🏻‍♀️

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Anonymous OP 6w

I’ve always grown up understanding you just can’t beat women in roles involving taking care of people— and that’s what government is. If women create life, you’d think logically they’d be the best as maintaining it. This is why the world is failing. Guys have to create systems to hurt women cuz they don’t have enough raw talent to prove themselves otherwise. I hope girls start to wake up to this earlier and earlier

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Anonymous #11 6w

Sure but what happens after the questioning? Islam has the same approach of “it’s okay to have doubt, ask a sheikh or scholar.” A person does that. But they won’t bend or change the rules. The rules will still apply. You just might come across wording that makes you feel better. Again, I can’t comment on Judaism but thousands of years of rabbis and religious scholars who’ve questioned the Torah: how come they follow the same practices? What end result is brought about?

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Anonymous OP 6w

… they don’t follow the same practices? Judaism varies wildly depending on each community, synagogue, and individual. And like I said it’s not perfect nor have I ever said it was.

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Anonymous OP 6w

I mean you were ragging on ALL religions earlier in the comments but I can’t talk about mine?

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Anonymous #1 6w

Taking verses wildly out of context. and the verse you’re referring doesn’t mean beating your child, it’s talking about how if you don’t discipline your kid you’ll turn them into a brat. idk if you’ve ever dealt with kids who have parents that don’t discipline them, but they turn into terrible people. Do you really love your kid that much if you know you’re turning them into a terrible person but don’t care?

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Anonymous #10 6w

There are lots of examples in the Bible of strong/courageous women. Jesus was constantly protecting and defending women from men. And the Bible teaches we have free will. God is love, goodness, joy, peace, patience etc. you can choose to live apart from him. But that means you’re living apart from all things love goodness, joy… hell is the absence of God. additionally, the essence of Christianity revolves around love and service to others, rather than some weird toxic control.

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Anonymous #10 6w

People that are doing good things out of fear of hell-have missed the “good news”. The good news being that Jesus died to save us. Jesus “earned” heaven for you and for everyone. God would have rather be tortured and die than have to risk living apart from us. But he also respects our free will enough to not force us if being with him is not something we want.

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Anonymous #10 6w

I personally view his grace like a safety net. We should still be trying to love others and do good-not to earn heaven but because we love God, and when we make a mistake he’s right there to catch us, and bounce us back. He also sees our hearts. So when we mess up, we want to be truly repentant (truly sorry). Truly repentant people make amends, are honest, and they do all they can to not to harm those they hurt again. They may mess up along the way, but they are trying and God sees that.

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Anonymous #10 6w

A non repentant person gives lip service but their hearts are far from Him. They aren’t honest with others, themselves, or God. And if they were honest with themselves, they’d see that they aren’t trying. Their heart isn’t right, and it’s visible outwardly through their actions and arrogance. God sees that. and will welcome them home (forgive them lovingly and joyfully) when they realize their sin, and come running to him. Or if they are lost God will come looking for them.

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Anonymous #10 6w

Jesus’ parables about seeking the lost, are some of my favorites (Luke 15)

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