Anonymous #2 12w

It’s also great for joint muscles/stabilizers, which helps you push harder in your main exercises so while it, by itself, may not produce thunder thighs, it’ll make the squats a LOT easier. Keep in mind, control is what turns power into strength

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Anonymous #1 12w

Wrong. It’s different from a lunge in that it is not a challenging resistance that you’re doing for prolonged periods of time, not a reasonable rep range. It would be like doing dumbell curls, but instead of a challenging weight for a reasonable amount of reps, it’s 1 pound dumbells for 30 straight minutes of non stop reps.

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Anonymous #2 12w

It won’t MEANINGFULLY build muscle. Yes, technically any kind of movement against some form of resistance will cause growth, but you will not get even 1% of the growth you’d get through standard resistance training. This isn’t to tell people not to use the stairmaster, it’s to clear up the misconception that the stairmaster is a good option for muscle building, which it isn’t

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Anonymous #2 12w

What the fuck is a “joint muscle” lmao. And people love to throughout “the stabilizers” when they have no idea what a stabilizer is. The primary muscles acting to stabilize you during a squat would be the adductor magnus, obliques, and abdominal muscles. The best way to train all of those is through standard strength and hypertrophy training, not a stairmaster.

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Anonymous OP 12w

*throw out

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Anonymous #4 12w

or just, yk, do normal strength and hypertrophy training

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Anonymous OP 12w

Aight mister 2 lbs max squat

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Anonymous #1 12w

Because I think doing a regular fucking exercise is better for lower body development than a stairmaster?

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Anonymous OP 12w

Carries are very beneficial to begin with so doing Carries on stairs should be even more beneficial. Plus it is good for people to carry heavy loads as it is what we are built for.

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Anonymous #1 12w

Are u dumb?

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Anonymous #5 12w

If u wanna disagree with me, show me one study displaying the different type of muscle from “toning” workouts and muscle building workouts

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Anonymous #4 12w

What about a carry is beneficial

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Anonymous #5 12w

THANK YOU. This comment section is everything wrong with the fitness industry. This shit is NOT complicated, but due to a combination of rampant misinformation, the desire for people to needlessly complicate simple tasks, and people just being contrarians, there’s a debate over something that isn’t debatable. It’s mind numbing.

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Anonymous #4 12w

Why would you do a cardio centric machine to build muscle? That’s counter intuitive and silly, grow up and squat

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Anonymous OP 12w

That’s why I asked for a single study to back up their bullshit claims. People over complicate shit because of their own misinformations, and I’m not standing on others being influenced by it

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Anonymous #5 12w

or leg press, or hack squat, or do anything else that isn’t a fucking stairmaster (if we’re being really 🤓☝️ about it a squat isn’t the best either, but let’s get past the stairmaster part first)

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Anonymous OP 12w

I mean any squat variation, except for goblet squats. Cuz why would u limit how much u can move by what ur arms can carry

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Anonymous #5 12w

Hell, just give me an explanation for how the biological mechanism for muscle growth would make this a good idea. Respectfully, to anyone out there giving advice, if you don’t understand the science behind muscle growth, you shouldn’t be giving other people advice on ot

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Anonymous #5 12w

Goblet squat has to be the silliest exercise that’s ever been made. It can exist somewhat I guess for teaching squat technique (even then, just use an empty barbell) but if you’re using it as its own exercise, there’s no fucking way your forearms and wrists are stronger than your quads and glutes

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Anonymous OP 12w

For quads specifically, I hit leg extension, hack squats (knees over toes priority for maximum flexion), and Bulgarian split squats. For hamstrings and Glutes: RDLs, hamstring curl machine, Hip Abductor and Adduction.

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Anonymous #5 12w

The only additions I would add would be to my hamstrings and glutes: back extensions and something for my calves

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Anonymous #5 12w

For me I’m just doing leg extensions atm (you could argue that a squat pattern isn’t needed at all for the quads). Just my two cents, but I don’t think there’s much of a need to do both a hack squat and a bulgarian. Both are effectively the same movement, being a squat pattern working through knee extension and hip extension. Also, the way most people have bulgarians set up, it emphasizes hip extension more than knee extension, making it more of a glute exercise than a quad exercise.

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Anonymous #5 12w

yeah you could stand to add a 45 degree extension, or just an SLDL. I just use the leg press for calf extensions when I do them

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Anonymous OP 12w

Builds forearm muscle and endurance and Works your stabilizing core muscles really well. Anyone that is serious about functional lifting do Carries of some kind. If your goal is only building muscle then yeah they aren’t that great but they are great at reducing the chance of injury due to weak stabilizing muscles.

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Anonymous OP 12w

Ur right they are the same movement, I just know that unilaterally more weight can be moved via Bulgarian split squats than with both. And I’m forced to do one legged leg extensions as a finishers because the weight doesn’t go up enough for both legs. I just don’t want to leave anything on the table for a leg day

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Anonymous #5 12w

Why not do both at the same time?

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Anonymous #4 12w

U can’t build muscle if ur losing weight in calorie deficit. Which is usually why people do cardio

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Anonymous #4 12w

Forearms muscles are going to be built far more effectively by dedicated forearm work, and your stabilizing muscles will also be worked far better by just doing dedicated work for those muscles. The stabilizing muscles you are referring to are obliques, adductors, and abs primarily. You will make those infinitely stronger training them directly than some fuck ass stairmaster isometric. “Functional lifting” is a myth. Muscle is muscle. You’re over complicating this based on no evidence.

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Anonymous #5 12w

Well you can, but it’s a lot harder and a lot slower

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Anonymous #4 12w

Because your muscle training is going to need far less effective if you’re trying to cardio at the same time.

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Anonymous #5 12w

I’d just recommend only doing a unilateral then. I use a gym pin now for leg extensions because I HATE unilateral leg extensions. Also, I’d recommend doing leg extensions first. Most effective movement for the quads, and least fatiguing.

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Anonymous OP 12w

Sorry but you are wrong. If muscle was just muscle then bodybuilders should be the most strong out of anyone but they are often relatively weak compared to people that do functional training. If muscle was just muscle then athletes wouldn’t benefit greatly from doing things like plyometrics in comparison to just doing calf raises. It is also the mind muscle connection that is built and not just the muscle itself.

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Anonymous OP 12w

Not everyone cares about just building muscle. Some people actually want to have functional and useful bodies which you cannot get from hypertrophy training alone.

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Anonymous #4 12w

Bodybuilders are the most strong out of anyone lol. Find me someone who “trains functionally” stronger than Ronnie Coleman pound for pound. Plyometrics are used for athletes because they are performance training, not strength training. An athlete needs to move his body in far more dynamic ways than a bodybuilder to avoid injury, so they practice that. Performance and strength aren’t the same. “Mind muscle connection” is best achieved through just lifting a lot lol.

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Anonymous #4 12w

In terms of muscle development, yes, it is literally just hypertrophy training. Your body can make other adaptations, tendons for example, but hypertrophy is hypertrophy. Muscles aren’t complicated.

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Anonymous OP 12w

You said functional training is a myth and then turn around and say that athletes use plyometrics for performance training (functional training) 😂. Your logic makes no sense. Go do some research on functional training and get back to me. Your body is meant to move in ways that far exceed what you will find in most hypertrophy training and if you don’t train those movements and processed then you are less functional as a human being.

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Anonymous #4 12w

Also Eddie y’all is stronger pound for pound than Ronnie Coleman ever was. Eddie’s deadlift was 3.03X his body weight whereas Ronnie’s deadlift was 2.69 times his body weight.

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Anonymous #4 12w

Eddie Hall*

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Anonymous #4 12w

functional training for muscles is a myth. ALL muscle strength comes from standard strength and hypertrophy training. Plyometrics aren’t about muscles, it’s about the rest of your body. Learn to read. I’m 3 years into a kinesiology degree. I guarantee your “research” doesn’t go beyond social media and google.

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Anonymous #4 12w

And Eddie is a fucking powerlifter lmao. He doesn’t “train functionally” he literally just lifts heavy shit. Show me Eddie doing some bullshit stairmaster work.

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Anonymous OP 12w

Do you not know the definition of functional training? Lifting heavy is a function. Power lifters are functional lifers. Their function is lifting heavy shit. This is why I said go do some research because you clearly have no idea wtf you are talking about.

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Anonymous #5 12w

People also do cardio to train their heart and he healthy lol. It is an important part of exercise no matter your goal

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Anonymous #4 12w

And what do you think bodybuilders do? They lift heavy shit. You have no fucking clue what you’re talking about.

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Anonymous #6 12w

And I thinn functional training has its place. You gey better at what you train for. If you only train each muscle by itself, they won't be able to work together to do anything. That's why strong people still have to train to learn calisthenics moves

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Anonymous #6 12w

Well yeah cardio is great, and the stairmaster is a great choice for cardio. Just not for building muscle.

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Anonymous #6 12w

The thing is that you don’t have to do calisthenics in the real world lol. Theres nothing non-functional about regular hypertrophy training, it just isn’t hyper specified to calisthenics.

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Anonymous #6 12w

That’s not how the body works lmaoo

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Anonymous #6 12w

Someone who strength trains each muscle part individually will pick up calisthenics much faster than someone who didn’t. It’s about learning form, not growing muscle

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Anonymous OP 12w

Bodybuilders lift with the goal of building muscle which is completely different than lifting for strength.

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Anonymous #1 12w

I can guarantee if you're even slightly muscular the stairmaster will not build you any additional muscle. You'd have to be completely out of shape and barely mobile to gain muscle with a stairmaster

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Anonymous #2 12w

You are not anywhere near knowledgeable enough to be giving advice with all due respect.

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Anonymous #4 12w

it’s not lol. The mechanism for hypertrophy is mechanical tension, which is approaching failure in your sets. As you get bigger, you will get stronger, and move up in weight. The entire basis of hypertrophy is getting stronger over them. Conversely, the primary method of getting stronger is getting bigger muscles, AKA, hypertrophy. This is very basic shit dude, please don’t try to talk about this stuff when you aren’t educated.

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Anonymous OP 12w

You claim I’m uneducated and then turn around and say factually incorrect shit 😂 whatever school you are going to needs to have their accreditation removed.

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Anonymous #4 12w

Basic research tells you that training for strength is vastly different than training for hypertrophy. The amount of sets, your rest time, and rep range are all different. Strength training focuses on neural fatigue vs hypertrophy which focuses on local muscle fatigue.

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Anonymous #4 12w

“basic research” and it’s just google lmao. Keep believing you’re super smart though little guy.

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Anonymous #4 12w

You can say i’m factually incorrect all you want. Doesn’t change that what I’m saying is factually correct. Keep coping.

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Anonymous #4 12w

What do u think that muscle does dummy? Or are u one of those dumb empty muscle believers

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Anonymous #4 12w

And no, your rep ranges (outside of practicing a 1 rep max) are very similar, with lower end rep ranges being best. Rest times are also very similar, with the only criteria being able to rest long enough to perform your next set well. Amount of WORKING sets does not vary. The only meaningful difference is that powerlifters work primarily with compound barbell movements (since that’s what they do for their competitions) and may do more form focus for those specific lifts. That’s it.

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Anonymous OP 12w

So you insult me because you know you are wrong and this is your only way to feel better. You do know that Google gives you access to peer reviewed articles right? And it was chat gpt (which also has access to peer reviewed articles) not Google😂

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Anonymous #4 12w

And I’d like to hear, what rep ranges do you think are best for hypertrophy, and which are best for strength? If you answer how I think you will, then this shit is gonna be fucking hilarious lmao.

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Anonymous OP 12w

At this point you are just rage baiting because no way someone can be this dense. Go do some research about this topic that you know nothing about and then let’s have an actual conversation.

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Anonymous #4 12w

Oh my god guys, ChatGPT, the most reliable source to ever exist, disagrees with me!! Whatever shall I do? I’ll just throw away the last 6 semesters of my college education, because ChatGPT says I’m wrong 😔😔

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Anonymous #4 12w

Can’t answer the quesiton? I’ll ask again, what rep ranges do you do for hypertrophy, and which do you do for strength? I won’t even ask you to give me an explanation as to why, just the number.

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Anonymous #4 12w

Eddie Hall at his peak had more muscle mass than Ronnie Coleman you just disproved your own point

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Anonymous #4 12w

There is no fuckin shot you just said that Chat GPT is a reliable source of information. You might be an idiot

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Anonymous #7 12w

I seriously don’t understand where’s these fuckers get the audacity. He thinks Eddie fucking Hall is a good argument for his functional stair master bullshit, and his source for his argument is ChatGPT. Its mind numbing

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Anonymous #7 12w

“Hypertrophy doesn’t equal strength!” *Uses one of the most muscular human beings in history as evidence*

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Anonymous OP 12w

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262300415_A_Biomechanical_Analysis_of_the_Farmers_Walk_and_Comparison_with_the_Deadlift_and_Unloaded_Walk, https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8126497/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

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Anonymous #4 12w

Here are some peer reviewed articles since you don’t have the capacity to do your own research.

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Anonymous #4 12w

And with that I’m done. Nothing I say will ever change your mind so I’m not gonna waste any more of my time.

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Anonymous #4 12w

I think both of you are kinda right here but are just saying different things. Training for strength means lifting heavy shit almost exclusively. Training for bodybuilding means lots of isolation, training specific muscle groups to failure, and slightly higher rep ranges. Obv stair master is 'bad' for building strong legs in the long term, but it can still build muscle for beginners and is great "functional" training if your goal is to be good at stairs and have a healthy heart

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Anonymous #6 12w

Carrying is great for teaching your muscles how to work together to carry heavy shit. Maybe not the best for hypertrophy, but someone who carries WILL carry more than someone who does forearm isolation work only because THEY TRAIN CARRYING!!!

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Anonymous #6 12w

Well yeah, specifically for carrying, but most people don’t need to care about being as strong as possible for carrying specifically. Just general strength and hypertrophy training has made me plenty strong enough to perform any task I could want to do in my daily life.

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Anonymous #7 12w

Sure…and you are?

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Anonymous OP 12w

You’re forgetting about all the hip stabilizers (you nailed the adductor magnus) but there are about 20 small muscles in your hips that you don’t want to get too big, but you want them to be strong so you don’t have hip pains. I’m talking like your piriformis, tensor fascia, psoas major, illiacus, etc, the ones buried under you larger “power” muscles

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Anonymous #2 12w

Yes those as well. Those muscles are also going to be trained most effectively through just normal movements though, like squat patterns.

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Anonymous #8 12w

i like the stair machine bc i like sweating a lot. i’ll sweat all over the machine

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Anonymous #2 12w

Someone who understands that cardio is not enough resistance to cause hypertrophy within any of the muscles within your legs

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Anonymous #2 12w

And that "toning" is not a real phenomenon

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Anonymous #7 12w

Bro thinks he’s hot shit because he’s too fat for cardio to make a noticeable change 🤣

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Anonymous #2 12w

And before y’all go all woke police, “hEs fAtPhObiC”, I’m responding to hate with hate… see how it doesn’t help anyone? Maybe different people have different experiences with exercise, and different routines are better for some people than others, and out of the gate going “you’re an idiot (respectfully)” makes you look dumber than Trump

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Anonymous #2 12w

Ur factually wrong, u got corrected and now ur butt hurt. Grow up

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Anonymous #2 12w

So fat😔

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Anonymous #2 12w

And I've taken Anatomy and Human Physiology and was admitted to grad school for exercise science. So not only do I have years of experience but I'm educated.

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Anonymous #2 12w

So let me tell you again, unless you're so skinny you're about to die or on my 600 pound life, cardio is not enough to build noticable additional muscle tissue. Have a good day and maybe consider that you're just not educated enough to have a valuable opinion on this stuff

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Anonymous #2 12w

And not being knowledgeable doesn't make you an idiot, I'm not knowledgeable regarding golf but that doesn't make me stupid. I never called you an idiot, just that you need to learn more about the subject before giving advice👍🏽

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Anonymous #7 12w

I swear, you can make the most basic, entry level statement regarding fitness and someone who doesn’t have any experience past instagram influencers will go to war with you to prove that you’re wrong. ITS OKAY NOT TO KNOW EVERYTHING. Not once has it ever crossed my mind to argue with someone over a subject that I am not confident in knowledge on.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Dog I hate Trump too, but you have literally no clue what you are talking about lmao.

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Anonymous OP 12w

The irony is that #2 conflating me saying they lacked knowledge with calling them an idiot is something that Trump would do😭

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Anonymous #7 12w

God I love this app. Y’all make it way too easy 🤣

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Anonymous #2 12w

Were you just trolling? Because if so thank God that's way better than actually thinking toning is a thing

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Anonymous #7 12w

I mean, it’s certainly true that any form of cardio will make you look more “toned” but it’s just from fat loss, and it only work paired well with a solid diet at least. I still think it’s unhelpful to come out swinging at misinformation though, especially with a “gateway” machine like the stair master. In my opinion, it’s better someone do cardio for the wrong reason than do no cardio at all; just an opinion though, I’ll never try to defend that as fact

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