Anonymous #5 10w

The one driven to do so is the one hurting the most and yet very little is ever done for them. It’s not selfish, it’s sad.

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Anonymous #3 10w

I agree, they are certainly hurting the most, and more should be done to prevent suicide. But in the end, it is still a selfish act. Horrible, born out of what feels like inescapable hurt and loneliness, but in the end the only person considered is themself. That’s not to disparage those who commit suicide, but it’s a reality

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Anonymous #5 10w

It’s not selfish. It’s a release from the burden that they can’t escape otherwise. There is a LOT of thought that goes behind it and others absolutely are thought about and considered before attempting. Selfishness entails advantage, benefit, or well-being regardless of others, which suicide does not provide. It’s not something people just up and decide to do, either— it’s the culmination of unbearable suffering and becomes one of the few “outs” someone has access to. “Selfish” That’s insulting.

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Anonymous #3 10w

No, they can escape that burden. They don’t, usually because they feel like they have to bear it alone, or they have no one they feel they can talk to, or people have pushed them away. I understand the suffering, but what makes suicide attractive to someone in that position? An end to the suffering, for them at the expense of others. Ultimately that is the goal. Im not saying it’s not something they consider, but in the end they choose themselves despite how it affects other people.

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Anonymous #3 10w

I want to say since this is a text format and hard to read tone sometimes that I have the greatest love and sympathy for those who have ended their own lives and their loved ones, and im not saying it’s necessarily their fault or that they’re bad people for it, unlike what OP seems to have meant. Just stating the fact that it is an act entirely ordered towards ending their own suffering, even if they’ve considered how it might affect others

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Anonymous #5 10w

It’s not selfish and to try and put that on victims— yes, victims— of suicide is disgustingly insulting and disrespectful.

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Anonymous #3 10w

Never said they weren’t victims, they most certainly are. And would you say it’s a selfless act then? I’d wager no. When I say selfish I don’t mean it negatively, just meaning it’s not a selfless act. Just because it’s a selfish act doesn’t mean they’re completely responsible for their own suicide, ie it was mental illness that drove them to it, and it certainly doesn’t mean that they’re not victims. Two things can be true at once

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Anonymous #3 10w

You both make good points. Yes, there is typically a lack of support and multiple points of failed intervention that lead to someone committing it. All of which was tragic, but it is ultimately the one who commits suicide who does the act. But a lot of the blame comes to lack of support, recognition, and validation. We only now are recognizing it and letting people get to that point.

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Anonymous #3 10w

At the same time, there are people who do it selfishly IMO. Killers, rapists, etc. to avoid dealing the consequences of their actions. I think blanket statements are just hard. And we as humans try to find fault in death. Who led to the result? A bully, a family member, a doctor, or the one did the act.

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