
i dont know which to respond to atp but #2, my point wasnt that genocide is worse than porn because duh, it was about entertainment as a medium having some of the flaws of porn. and op idk why you think being horny is satanic but its not. i dont even like porn i was just trying to understand why ur argument was so firm, but i know why now
The addition of consenting actors does not make the “production”/sex act performed for an exchange of money or services an ethical product. The objectification/commodification of human in such a capacity is unethical without even going into the coerciveness of the industry/society in a financial downfall.
Fictional or not, your partner or a stranger, it does not matter. You are reducing them down to nothing more than parts/functions related to parts. It conditions society to without realizing it begin to develop a less humane approach to a persons value by equating it to something so simple and carnal as lust for lust and/or lust for profit. This isnt even getting into the addictive nature of it for the viewer and so forth. Pornography is an immoral product.
Furthermore, unlike other forms of labor that tend to produce a product; sex if successful from a biological perspective creates additional life. So if sex is not done for that purpose, and also not for intimacy, then doing it for money reduces the human body itself to being a product rather than a person being paid for something such as food, or entertainment, or for some act of tangible value. (not porn , porn is not entertainment but thats another take) porn is produced for money and/for
Carnal fulfillment that is not beneficial to anybody or the biological act it primarily is used for (procreation) so being reduced to either being produced for money or to satiate somebodys horniness instead of having actual intimacy reduces the human once again into a commodity and not a living breathing sentient intelligent creature with a full range of emotions, thought processes, etc.
i think this is wrong tbh. it’s historically a homophobic argument to say that sex that doesnt make babies is immoral. furthermore, what i do with my body is my choice and so forth. im in a long distance relationship and if my partner and i wanna take pics and shit thats not inherently immoral. your whole argument is that lust for the sake of lust is wrong, but lust is ok. its allowed. the police arent gonna come lock you up for being horny and they shouldn’t.
in my mind its not that different from saying funny movies are unethical. it just turns real humans into butts of jokes just to make you laugh. objectifying them and minimizing their stories in a world where genocide and slavery continue to ruin millions of lives. humor was an evolutionary trait to find community and mates but now it is used to disconnect people. humor for the sake of laughter just makes me sick
“Slavery and genocide are worse” was your point and guess what as op pointed out those are merely just specified forms of objectifying the human much like sex work and porn. Man are you gooners so fixated on thinking with the wrong head that you are incapable of any sense whatsoever geez
u guys are so snarky with no interest in actually talking about this but you didnt really respond to half of the things i said. i know you said intimacy but why do you get to decide what is intimate? why can sharing images and photos with my partner not be intimate? i know what you are arguing and i argee with most of it but you respond aggressively and in a condescending way without answering my genuine questions
I didnt use a meme in any response, if you are going to continue to have a bad faith argument and not read and spam me with falsehoods I will block you. Now if you want good faith dialogue again you can read all my comments earlier already establishing the difference between entertainment that produces a product and porn that is nothing more than lust for lust and/or lust for money
also this is what i mean about ur arguments being weirdly aggressive because why are you calling me illiterate while reading my message wrong. how many times did u say i read something wrong while u mistook so many of my arguments and i wasnt trying to be nasty about it. i just dont understand