Anonymous #1 7w

I said as long as its not on the job. If theyre on the job they should be sober but if theyre at home or on vacation or something and they wanna smoke a little weed they should be able to do that

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Anonymous OP 7w

What about your pharmacist who only feens on the job? Since he’ll never do something at work

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Anonymous #1 7w

feening and being high are two different things… if i used your logic in a different context it’d be like saying “You’re a slut because you think about having sex.”

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Anonymous #2 7w

Are you stupid? My point is that feening in an area with tons of prescription meds is dangerous. I could probably guess who your illiterate libertarian ahh voted for.

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Anonymous #1 7w

nah i’m not stupid, but you however must be illiterate. feening and using drugs are different. just because you want to take the drugs doesn’t mean you will, there’s this fun thing called SELF CONTROL which you clearly must be unfamiliar with.

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Anonymous #1 7w

also bringing politics into this just shows your intelligence level. go be a ballsack somewhere else

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Anonymous #2 7w

Nope, at a certain point of extremity withdrawal is literally impossible to recover from let alone resist. People die from withdrawal symptoms but you think “just power through” because you’re an idiot who has no clue what they’re talking about. You don’t have any reason to believe what you’re saying you’re just saying it because you believe in nonsense like libertarians do.

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Anonymous #2 7w

The entire conversation of legalizing drugs or who in which position can use drugs is inherently political. This is the problem with trump voters🤦🏽‍♂️

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Anonymous #2 7w

“Self control” yeah you really are idiot of the week. Heroin, cocaine, meth, painkillers and many more are literally known to override a person’s psyche and ability to control their decisions. You’re an idiot because you’re speaking on a subject of which you clearly have 0 prior knowledge, while constantly making your ignorance obvious. Maybe study a subject before speaking.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Obviously drugs are addicting and are hard to come off of, but I think you might underestimate how secure pharmaceuticals are. Someone couldn’t just start abusing drugs in there without anyone noticing. Every single pill is counted, they can’t just steal and keep their job. Secondly, assuming I have 0 prior knowledge to addiction is baffling. You don’t know me or what I’ve struggled with. I’m speaking from experience when I say it takes real self control to not use, that is fact, not opinion.

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Anonymous #1 7w

You think I’m a trumpet?? Funny. I support getting high, not pedophiles. Regardless, you brought up politics in a way that was beyond irrelevant to the conversation, it wasn’t even on topic, it was just an attempt at a puny insult that didn’t land.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Just to double back here real quick, pharmacies drug test. You couldn’t be consistently using those substances enough to get addicted and get a job at a pharmacy. You believe any meth head can get a job in a pharmacy yet IM the uneducated one here?! Go back to school buddy, you clearly need it.

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Anonymous #2 7w

This take has nothing to do with the fact that drug users being pharmacist, is dangerous. The initial post literally says ANY drug. I’m glad you got sober or kicked whatever you were on, but if it’s not equivalent to what I mentioned, then you’re lowballing the addictive nature of the substance and highballing this “self control” bs you’re addicted to. Do you want to see a peer reviewed study proving me right? Like your point is an idea, it’s not reflective of reality at all outside of anecdotes

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Anonymous #2 7w

THE POST IS LITERALLY CLAIMING THAT THEY SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO DRUG TEST AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you’re actually illiterate scum. Genuinely go pick up a book🤦🏽‍♂️

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Anonymous #2 7w

Genuinely this is the dumbest thing you could’ve said. The whole conversation spawned out of OP’s idea that NOWHERE should be able to screen for drug users. You’re an idiot + cope + good job getting out of addiction, too bad it was too late to save your intelligence.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I am not OP, I have NEVER said that jobs shouldn’t drug test. I’m not sure how you misread that but I’ll move on from your little mishap. If you think self control is not necessary to get over addiction then I cannot continue this conversation. You need strong discipline to stop taking ANY drug, regardless of potency. Like I said, that is fact not opinion. I’d LOVE to see whatever study you found trying to claim Self Control and Discipline are not necessary when trying to quit substances.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Also, since you seem to believe my point is “an idea not reflecting reality”, please state your opinion so we can compare who isn’t living in reality. Secondly, you keep trying to insult my intelligence but all that does is reflect poorly on your intelligence. And your “insults” are so unoriginal. At least use better insults and stop stealing the same overused phrases from the internet.

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Anonymous #1 7w

you’re real quiet now huh

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Anonymous #2 7w

Are you stupid? I’m not on yak all the time 😭 secondly read the prompt🤦🏽‍♂️ the prompt hinges on making drug tests illegal

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Anonymous #2 7w

I didn’t say self control isn’t necessary genius, I said it’s often not enough without proper support 🤦🏽‍♂️ keep up

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Anonymous #2 7w

The pretense of the conversation is literally OP’s statement which you spoke in defense of🤦🏽‍♂️

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Anonymous #1 7w

i’m still not OP, i never said nor agreed with them. by your logic, you agree with them too solely because you commented. i only commented bc you were spewing nonsense and i wanted to reply to you specifically. and see, you’re still trying to insult my intelligence instead of actually making valid points.

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Anonymous #1 7w

you literally laughed and then tried to call me stupid for saying that you need to have self control so yes, it implies that you believe it is not necessary.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Wrong again smart one. I said “if you think all you need” and that there are drugs that override self control; I also offered you peer reviewed studies on the subject. Keep up

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Anonymous #1 7w

i said to drop the study, yet you never showed any evidence even tho you clearly read the part where i asked to see it…

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Anonymous #1 7w

tell me the exact words i used in which i defended their statement. i’ll wait.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Oh bet, if so I missed that my bad. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5143362/ https://www.sanctuarylodge.com/blog/mental-health/why-willpower-is-not-enough-the-science-behind-addiction/ https://www.recoveryanswers.org/research-post/social-support-important-recovery-but-what-aspects-matter-most/

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Anonymous #2 7w

You literally disagreed with me under the pretense of “pharmacist feening.” I explained that a pharmacist who doesn’t get drug tested is potentially incredibly dangerous, to which you replied that feening & being high on the job are different, which insinuates that the only problem would be being high not feening.

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Anonymous #1 7w

i disagreed with you bc you’re saying that thinking about taking a drug (feening) is the same as actually taking drugs (being high). they are very different. idc if my pharmacists is craving drugs as long as they give me what i need and stay sober while on duty. if they’re high and taking those drugs during their shift, it’s an obvious issue. they obviously should get drug tested before a job like that but your whole point was that feening alone makes them incapable of working there.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Taking a drug isn’t what feening means holy white boy😭😭😭😭feening is craving or being desperate to GET the drug specifically, if you don’t understand the AAVE ask the meaning🤦🏽‍♂️

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Anonymous #1 7w

i just took the time to read all 3. here’s a quote from both of the first 2 articles. 1: “People with addiction seem not to be short on willpower; rather, recovery is dependent on developing strategies to preserve willpower by controlling the environment.” 2: “However, while willpower can be one of the most powerful mental tools in dark times, it is not considered a limitless resource.”

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Anonymous #2 7w

These quotes are saying that willpower is very important but can be even stronger when paired with other tools. The third article just gave a helpful tool for recovering addicts. However, they all were in support of willpower and believe that it was the most important part of recovery.

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Anonymous #2 7w

I care if my pharmacist is craving the wrong drugs for sure, specifically because as mentioned by the studies, at a certain point every addict (depending on substance) will stop being functional & start experiencing withdrawal

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Anonymous #2 7w

Will power isn’t enough in every case is my entire point, and the sources underscore thar idea very clearly.

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Anonymous #2 7w

They each speak about recovery & necessary support

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Anonymous #1 7w

DID YOU READ WHAT I SAID??? i said THINKING about taking a drug is feening. holy illiteracy…

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Anonymous #1 7w

You know what i have a question for you. Do you really think a recovering addict would even want a job at a pharmacy?! ESPECIALLY if they’re going to withdraw from trying to quit what makes you think they would even want to work in a place dealing with drugs? Secondly, if they’re at the point in recovery where they would get a job here, it would obviously be past the withdraw point since it is almost impossible to work while going through those symptoms. Please use your brain!

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Anonymous #2 7w

The prompt, is about no place of work drug testing. My point is that that is stupid because of what could happen. You were wrong about the discussion & now you’re trying to shift the goal post. Yes, yes I do think a ton of people in active addiction would work at a pharmacy. You do realize there’s whole categories and markets for “script drugs.” Which pharmacists would have access to; there’s already been cases of pharmacists collaborating with drug dealers 🤦🏽‍♂️

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Anonymous #1 7w

They basically said willpower is the most important part, but if you shape your environment to help with your addiction, it makes your willpower even stronger since there’s less temptation. all the tools on here quite literally go hand-in-hand with willpower…

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Anonymous #2 7w

You’re once again still just assuming bullshit in favor of your own point “oh well if they were in recovery then” that’s an assumption. Oh well they wouldn’t get the job. Another assumption. Explain what these assumptions have to do with a pharmacy removing their mandated drug test? Same with hospitals, where meds already go missing, and EMTs.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Learn how to read “methodology of study”

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Anonymous #1 7w

i never said that jobs shouldn’t drug test. the fact that you still believe im trying to advocate for jobs to stop drug testing just proves you have not actually digested a single word ive said. and yes they may be assumptions, but they’re still valid. do you really think someone who is actively going through withdraw to the point that they can’t stand and are projectile vomiting everywhere are going to have enough energy to work a job on their feet all day?

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Anonymous #2 7w

Then you agree that pharmacies (and other occupations) should keep drug testing? That’s the only point I’ve been making. You commented to disagree with that because you didn’t understand what I was saying in totality, now you’re again trying to shift the goalpost. Remember, you replied to me.

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Anonymous #2 7w

and do you really think they would want that job while still early in recovery. it’s like saying a recovering alcoholic would choose to work at a bar, they’d probably want to avoid bars for awhile until they feel mentally ready, which by then would be far past the withdrawal point.

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Anonymous #2 7w

I think someone who could get to that point will steal a pill before anything happens

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Anonymous #1 7w

Of course i agree that they should drug test. My first comment was literally just saying that feening and being high are different which you oddly disagreed with and tried to argue back on. Then you tried claiming that willpower wasn’t the most important part of recovery. THEN you tried to say that i’m shifting my views when they have been consistent this whole time. and during all of this, you’ve constantly tried to insult me with petty name-calling as if you are a child.

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Anonymous #2 7w

They’re equally as bad in the workplace was my point🤦🏽‍♂️ your reading comprehension makes your republican ideology very obvious.

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Anonymous #2 7w

And it’s objectively not the most important, no addict can “willpower” a recovery while living in a trap house, and almost none can while homeless. That’s not because of a lack of will power, that’s because of too much accessibility to the substance and too little support to stay off of it. You’re a joke of an opponent.

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Anonymous #1 7w

if you think that actively being high is just as bad as wanting to get high, you need to go see a specialist cause i can’t fix what’s wrong with your brain to make you think that. going along with the article YOU provided, you need an environment which helps you to stay sober so your willpower can become stronger. here’s part of the quote incase you forgot: “recovery is dependent on developing strategies to preserve willpower by controlling the environment.”

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Anonymous #1 7w

lastly: why do you keep saying that i’m a trump supporter and a republican? you are so far from the truth it hurts.

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Anonymous #2 7w

If you think having a PCP addict on site who’s about to be angry & then sick isn’t as dangerous as having some idiot who’s walking around smelling like weed & talking slow then you’re small minded. Your ability to understand how intricate these situations can get is abysmal. And so is your understanding of the human psyche.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Because you’re halfway to illiteracy and refuse to process situations outside of your immediate thought. You hear me say “being high and feening are just as dangerous in the workplace” and you imagine being high and feening in the way that is most advantageous to your argument, rather than one that’s truly random. That’s some red hat shit.

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Anonymous #1 7w

stfu. you’re still not comprehending what i’m saying to you. drug tests should be required to work in areas like that so a pcp addict would not be in that situation, ESPECIALLY if it’s DURING their withdraw. they wouldn’t even be able to stand, let alone work. even still; i’ve seen plenty of sober people who have anger issues and they still get jobs. regardless a sober person wanting to get high is ultimately better than someone who is actively high. idk how you can’t see the logic in that

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Anonymous #2 7w

No no no, I’m fully aware that you’ve already conceded to my initial point. Now I’m just expressing how ridiculous your understanding of the conversation has been, and how foolish your situational descriptions are. Keep up.

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Anonymous #1 7w

are we deadass? because i’m taking your words at face value, that makes me a republican?! you are saying that being sober and being high are both equally dangerous. by your logic, if i’m at work and want a drink im a danger to my job since alcohol is technically a drug. boy bye.

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Anonymous #1 7w

idk how i’ve “conceded to your point” when your point is illogical and mine actually makes sense. you’re just speaking just to speak at this point.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Because my point overall was that certain occupations NEED to drug test🤦🏽‍♂️the pharmacist job was just an example

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Anonymous #1 7w

i never argued against that. i argued against you claiming that feening and being high and both equally as bad as well as you thinking that willpower isn’t the most important part of recovery. the fact that you STILL believe im against drug tests just goes to show that you have extremely bad comprehension skills and an ego bigger than your IQ. moral of the story: certain jobs should drug tests, feening ≠ being high, willpower is necessary for recovery, and you have poor comprehension skills.

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Anonymous #2 7w

you can keep yapping if it makes your dick feel bigger but i’m done going back and forth with someone who cannot comprehend a word of what i’m saying.

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Anonymous #2 7w

So you’re admitting that your entire point was a strawman fallacy? What a moron

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