Anonymous #1 1d

they’re always just loud and wrong

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inviting other men to partake in that activity is wrong regardless of ny law. she didnt consent to other people being involved therefore was raped. why is the concept so difficult to grasp

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Anonymous #5 1d

what “nuance” is there? she went to that frat w someone she thought was a friend who then gave her drugs & forced her to keep taking them. then messaged a groupchat w 50 other men inviting them to “free pussy”. 7 total men then forced more drugs into her system and forced her into oral and vaginal sex

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Anonymous OP 1d

You say forced, but that’s not what she originally said. We don’t know what went down in that room and you can’t base guilt off of an accusation alone. The notion that we have to suddenly believe women no matter what is dumb.

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Anonymous #5 1d

isnt the phrase “guilty until proven innocent”? why wouldnt you believe a woman who says she was raped? imagine if that jane doe was your sister, your mom, a close friend? youd feel very differently about the situation and demand people believe them. so why not now? why not this instance? why does it have to be “theres more to the story theres no way they actually did those things”? whys it have to be “its only an accusation theres no proof”?

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Anonymous OP 1d

The fact that you don’t know that the phrase goes “ innocent until proven guilty” tells me all I need to know

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Anonymous #5 1d

why do you then think these men are innocent and deserve to have to be proven guilty? why would you prefer sitting here taking the side of 7 men who forced a woman into intercourse while inebriated instead of saying “actually this is all a possibility and those men are vile, disgusting, despicable human beings and should be rotting in jail”?

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Anonymous OP 1d

I have never said that the men are innocent. Really I think everyone involved in this is nasty. They deserve to be presumed innocent, and have their guilt proven in a court because that’s how the judicial system functions. If we base our society solely on the court of public opinion, how do you honestly think that would turn out? You honestly need to reconsider college if you do not understand the basic concepts of why our judicial system works the way it does.

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Anonymous OP 1d

You talk about me, not considering the possibility that they did it, which I have. But you cannot seem to face the possibility that the girl is retroactively, claiming rape for her own personal reasons. Not saying that’s what’s happening, but if we’re talking about possibilities.

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Anonymous #5 1d

She did originally say that. When she made the rape report in 2024. Y’all insane and need to get off the internet. Not to mention they WERE punished. They were found guilty by the schools investigation. Their punishment was just fucking shit

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Which story is true the one that she said two weeks after it happened or the one two years after it happened? I wonder what it could be.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Her saying she was raped and it legally qualifying as rape are two different things. Her son statement in 2024, made it sound consensual in every aspect. Also, Cornell did what they were supposed to. What do you expect them to do arrest them? They are a university not law-enforcement. And as far as I’ve seen, Cornell has not publicly stated what they were reprimanded for.

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Anonymous #5 1d

She reported it to the campus police department. Which is law enforcement agency and has arresting power. Loud and incorrect as ever

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Anonymous #1 1d

Yeah, and their investigation didn’t find that there was enough evidence. Loud and stupid as ever.

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Anonymous #1 1d

You do realize that it was up to the district attorney to bring those charges not the police correct? And the district attorney’s office did not find enough evidence to meet the legal requirements.

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Anonymous #5 1d

ok her first statement actually included her saying “i can say with 100% certainty i was raped”. secondly cornell shouldnt have let them off with fucking essays as if extra homework fixed the damage they did to her. cornell also shouldve let her receive her tuition back to transfer schools. cornell shouldve expelled all of those men and took those accusations to authorities just as she did. thirdly you dont go & make a fucking report if the actions done were with consent

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Anonymous OP 1d

That statement never reached the district attorney’s office. We can speculate as to why. And again the claim of rape does not mean it is legal legally rape. Cornell did not just give them essays. There were suspensions and expulsions, but again we do not know their exact reasoning behind their actions. Cornell acts as a business. She received some type of service from Cornell. It makes no sense for them to give her her money back because of a situation outside of their control.

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Anonymous OP 1d

And like I said before, you didn’t even understand that the phrase was innocent until proven guilty so I don’t trust your intelligence to make these arguments

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Anonymous #5 1d

what exactly did the da’s office do then besides sit on their asses? they couldve very well asked for a rape kit immediately when she made her report but they chose not to

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Anonymous OP 1d

Da has stated that he tried to speak with her after they made their conclusion that there was insufficient evidence, and she refused to speak with him. He cannot ethically go back and try to convince her to bring more charges forward if the case has been closed. He has also stated that the evidence brought forth in the civil suit is not evidence that was brought to them at the time so how is that on DA? Da didn’t sit on his ass her statement did not show that there was a lack of consent.

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Anonymous #5 1d

so being part of the da’s office is to investigate claims … they very clearly didnt investigate shit

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Anonymous #5 1d

what “personal reasons” are there to claim you were raped and drugged for 7 hours? 7 hours .. a full work day. why would you sit there and make those things up?

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Anonymous OP 1d

Maybe because she was being socially ostracized or maybe she wanted money through the civil lawsuit. Like I said before I’m not saying that’s the case, but until we have a trial, there is no way of knowing and I think people need to realize the guilt cannot just be assumed. The burden of proof is on the accuser.

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I bet 95% of the people are outraged. Don’t understand that distinction.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Nothing was forced she said in the original campus report that the drugs and consumption was consensual, she simply did too much (not enough for incapacitation, which is NY law’s issue with consent) and then shit happened. Maybe don’t do a 3some that is trashy and immoral all around with every party.

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Anonymous #6 1d

so if you consent two a threesome with two guys, it’s okay for them to invite five more of their frat buddies to have their way with you without your prior knowledge or consent? don’t be purposefully obtuse. that’s not okay under any circumstance.

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you’re right about the law but you’re wrong about the situation, what happened there was illegal she did not consent to the other 5. it’s not rocket science

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Anonymous #7 1d

That hasn’t been proven in a court of law. We cannot make that judgment.

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Anonymous #3 1d

When you read the report from 2024 she makes it clear her yes’s and no’s were listened to. Or have you not read it

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Anonymous #5 1d

no YOU need to look into the case more. yall love to act and sound smart and have no ounce of respect dignity or compassion. i’m speaking from personal experience many women tend to feel like it’s their fault when SA happens and down play it in the beginning. it’s not just me but practically every woman i know has had a similar experience where clarity can hit later on. this doesn’t make it unfair to the guys, they shouldn’t have been there and done that in the first place.

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Anonymous #5 1d

nope i’ve read it and i’ve also seen the encounter where her story was different than the other times and it makes perfect sense. why are you so sure that she wasn’t raped?

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Anonymous #7 1d

Let me understand you correctly you are saying you have seen where her story has changed and that makes sense to you? Also I’m not saying 100% she was not raped, but the current evidence that we have makes the accusation a little bit skepticism inducing. How can you be 100% sure that she was raped? Ultimately until this goes to court, and the evidence is examined thoroughly we won’t know.

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Anonymous #5 1d

we know she consented to TWO men, not seven, based on statements given. we know she took copious amounts of alcohol and ketamine, which immediately took away her ability to consent. we know from texts sent to chat she was not in that those guys invited more people for “free pussy”. we know when alcohol and ketamine mix, it sedates you and puts you out of your mind so you can’t make judgement calls. we know the other guys were aware enough to text their friends. what more do you need? 2+2 is 4

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Anonymous #3 1d

If you can’t see the nuance behind this situation, you’re not worth arguing with. This isn’t black-and-white and it’s overall a degenerate situation from every side.

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Anonymous #3 1d

its not even worth arguing at this point. they’re dead set she wasnt raped because there isnt “evidence” against it & are convinced that shes doing it for money. the rest of us can go on knowing that she was raped and they can argue w a wall

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Anonymous #5 1d

i’m not sure of your gender i’m going to assume though you aren’t a woman because many women have an opposing stance from you, i could be wrong. i’m not going to sit here and say you’re wrong because lawfully you’re right, but i really do want you to understand why women already have a notion that this was rape. 1/3 women in college get sexually assaulted, for every 1000 women in that category 310 get reported and 25 perpetrators get some sort of jail time. only 2.5% of sexual assault lead (1/2)

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Anonymous OP 1d

You’re dead set that they did rape her without a trial taking place.

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Anonymous #5 1d

to jail time. 1/3 woman get SAed globally. many woman don’t report because they’re afraid or it won’t go anywhere, or when it does get reported there’s people out there that when they get a hold of the information use it against them and run their name through the mud. again i said before lawfully you’re right, but please dude like if you’re not a woman and you haven’t gone through something like this you truly don’t know the extent that people can go.

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Anonymous #7 1d

Regardless of how people personally feel about the situation, the fact is that everyone is claiming openly and posting about the men who allegedly did this. A trial needs to take place and allegations towards men should be taken just a serious because regardless of whether they are guilty or not, the allegation alone is life ruining. It’s not right that these men are being publicly executed metaphorically when they have not been given their day in court. Bad precedent.

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Anonymous #5 1d

then show me the nuance because you’re failing to argue it. what exactly about her statement in 2024 was consensual? because in the CBS article it was stated she was in denial about what happened when she texted him later on and felt she had to be nice to her aggressor in order to find out what happened. this is called a fawn response- it’s common in victims of SA.

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Anonymous #3 1d

Convenient but okay.

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Anonymous #5 1d

you did not understand what i said. this isn’t about feeling i’m giving you statistics. i hope your world view changes because you seem like you’re unwilling to see what’s actually happening right now

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Anonymous OP 1d

men will do everything except hold each other accountable stg

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Anonymous #7 1d

Bro I understand I’m just not letting emotions cloud my judgement about why this needs to play out properly.

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Anonymous #3 1d

Women will do anything but self reflect

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Anonymous #5 1d

“wonen do anything but self reflect” as if simply by being there and existing in that atmosphere meant she was allowed to be raped and seen as nothing more than an object to those men. offered up as nothing more than “free pussy” for those men. meant that she was no longer seen as a human who would then suffer lasting harm and pain from their actions while their lives never changed.

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Anonymous #5 1d

you’re the one getting riled up buddy defending something you’ve had the privilege of never experiencing. go suck some more cock

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Anonymous #5 1d

EVEN REAL ALLEGATIONS DONT RUIN THEIR LIVES WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT

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Anonymous #7 1d

Wow, way to get all emotional 🤣

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Anonymous OP 1d

Woman moment just stfu atp

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Anonymous #5 1d

men will do everything but stand up for women & claim men are the protectors when men are what women need protecting from

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Anonymous #5 1d

well since i’m just a dumb woman please tell me what i need to reflect on, because every single point you’ve made so far is null. being technically not found guilty of rape doesn’t mean rape didn’t happen. it’s called the burden of evidence for a reason. this happens ALL THE TIME, which is why only 8% of rapists are convicted. but you know. we’re all just dumb women here, so please tell me what nuance i’m missing since you still haven’t told me?

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Anonymous OP 1d

Okay then don’t be with a man, you will be doing us a favor

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Anonymous #3 1d

I’m not gonna speak to an emotional woman about these issues. Y’all can’t handle it apparently

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Anonymous #5 1d

oop there it is. blatant misogyny. that didn’t take long. run back to the reddit cesspool you crawled out of.

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Anonymous #5 1d

you must be one of those people that think the “male loneliness epidemic” isnt a self inflicted fucking thing

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Anonymous OP 1d

I have a gf so I wouldn’t know, but with women like you I can understand

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Anonymous #3 1d

took longer than i thought ngl

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Anonymous #5 1d

just say you see women as less than lmao pack it up lil bro

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Anonymous #3 1d

If Reddit is what you think of you’re stupid. You deserve the misogyny fr

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Anonymous #5 1d

you must be more of an red pill podcast guy then. either way pack it up 😒

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Anonymous OP 1d

Eventually I realized y’all deserve it lol

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how you even have a girlfriend is appalling

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Anonymous OP 1d

No I don’t think I will, keep wishing though loser

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Anonymous OP 1d

Game is game

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Anonymous #5 1d

4chan moment

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Anonymous OP 1d

he 100% doesn’t tell her about the shit he says to women online. these kinds of guys are cowards. if she knew the type of shit he got up to she’d leave in a heartbeat.

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Anonymous #5 1d

😭😭😭

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Anonymous #5 1d

Na bro you evil 😭

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Anonymous #5 18h

Talking about other people not understanding that distinction when I guarantee you don’t know more about it than “one is for money and one is for prison” is hilarious. The lawsuit, which is against Cornell for their handling of it the first time, has reopened the criminal case, too. No guarantees it goes anywhere, but there is substantial evidence that it was mishandled the first time

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1. She wasn’t just drunk, she was drugged. 2. She never even said YES to the 5 other guys who assaulted her. She never consented.

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Anonymous #12 11h

If you’ve had ten shots of vodka and I’ve had one, are we equally capable of consent?

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Anonymous #9 11h

No but that’s not the case here is it. The men didn’t only have one drink. If I drink and drive, crash my car it’s 100% my fault but if I drink and sleep with a man, regret it in the morning it’s 100% his fault?

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Anonymous #12 11h

She was unconscious, they were awake. Do you really want to tell me she was just as responsible as them?

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Anonymous #9 11h

She was not unconscious, she decided to take more drugs and then pass out in hopes to get the men on SA charges

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Anonymous #12 11h

“She was not unconscious” -> “she passed out” ??? Also she’s just describing why she went to the police there. She’s very obviously not saying that was her plan

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In her statements later on she admitted to not consenting and said she was raped. Trauma victims are not the most reliable when it’s immediately after the trauma. They need time to process and heal, that’s why the DA reopened the case again.

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Anonymous #5 11h

Facts

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Anonymous #5 11h

Her original statement is not valid according to the DA. He recognized that she was traumatized and since she has healed he reopened the case. Changing of testimony or statements is incredibly common from people who are traumatized. 2% of rape allegations are false by the way. The same rate as other crimes. It’s not statistically likely that she falsely claimed rape.

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Anonymous #13 10h

It’s closer to 10% and if adding the dropped due to unfounded or unsubstantiated claims, about 25%~. Of course you would rather go with the lowest possible number because it’s the first you saw.

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Anonymous #14 7h

False accusations are 2% of all accused rapes. Highly unlikely she falsely accused.

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Anonymous #17 2h

She consented to the sex with the first two men. Not the other five.

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Anonymous #10 2h

Her statements have been contradictory and inconsistent at best. She repeatedly said nothing illegal took place that night with no qualification. Additionally, literally all other evidence, testimony and statements by every other person involved attest to it being consensual.

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Anonymous #17 2h

She didn’t tho. The DA and police were caught in a lie after her initial interview transcript was leaked, showing she said that she was with 100% certainty that she was assaulted.

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Anonymous #10 27m

What lie?

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Anonymous #16 14m

The lie saying everything was voluntary…

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Anonymous #16 4m

It hurts that everyone is downvoting this shit when they haven’t even read the documents and information regarding the case. You guys are sickening.

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Anonymous #16 3m

I bet all of you guys couldn’t handle even a QUARTER of what this girl went through yet you’re making crazy assumptions about the fact that she “wanted to”. What if it was your sister? Your mother? Your friend? People like you never give a fuck until it’s someone you care about.

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Anonymous #10 1m

You guys never deserved to go to a school so progressive. If you had half a brain maybe you’d understand a find empathy in such a situation. These downvotes won’t change my opinion at all. Hopefully you guys because educated eventually.

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Anonymous #10 Just now

She literally admitted it was consensual and said several times nothing illegal took place. Shes had so many inconveniences in her testimony it’s hard to take anything she says seriously especially with the mountain of evidence against her. She regretted consensual sex and now those men have their lives at stake.

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