Anonymous #1 1d

Not sure if she’s a bundist, I’ve never heard of her before. That’s rude af to say. Not everyone supports nationalism

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Anonymous #1 1d

Yes she is. Before ww2, her grandfather was one of the first to convince Jews that Europe was safe for them and they don’t need Israel. Her perspective is that he was right 🤡

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Anonymous #2 1d

I know her from the book/article she wrote. I’m not assuming anything. I got the sense that all she saw was old anti Zionist communist Jews and stopped there without giving thought to anything else

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Anonymous #2 1d

What’s wrong with believing that Jews had the right to live in freedom and dignity wherever it was they stood? You’re going to agree with what the antisemites were saying, that they don’t belong where they have lived for generations?

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Anonymous #2 1d

It looks like you don’t have an understanding of what Zionism is. Anti Zionists do

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Anonymous OP 1d

Bundism is very specific to the time and place it was founded and basically disappeared after they murdered during holocaust, it’s also just like straight up a purely Ashkenazi thing. I don’t think that there can really be modern bundhists. I think that there is a sort of weird romanticism for the Shtetl as if pogroms didnt exist

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Anonymous #1 7h

Well yeah bc Jews in the Middle East weren’t being persecuted like Jews in Europe. It was the other response to rampant antisemitism in Europe. To build community and strengthen bonds where they were actually RIGHTFULLY living instead of letting the antisemites win. And we shoudnt let the antisemites be successful in completely destroying it and its memory, either!

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Anonymous OP 7h

Okay, if you have two political philosophy for the safety of Jews, and one of those philosophies resulted in the entire movement being murdered for being Jewish you’d say that’s a pretty defunct philosophy. Regardless of what you think about the current political state of Israel, israel a concept saved many many many many Jews lives

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Anonymous #1 7h

It wasn’t the fault of the Jews that they got massacred?? It was the fault of the Nazis… They didn’t just kill bundists, they killed Zionists too. By your logic Zionism would be a defunct philosophy bc apparently it’s the Jews fault for being murdered. It saved lives? Is that why they treated holocaust victims like shit bc they viewed them as weak?

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Anonymous OP 6h

The ideology failed but it’s not the fault of Jews and I didn’t say that. Yes, Israel has saved lives on many many occasions I’m alive because of Israel. Israel has taken in as refugees 850,000 MENA Jews, 20,000 Ethiopian Jews, and like 500,000 Jews from Europe/russia. If Israel had been founded a decade earlier, we wouldn’t have had cases like the MS St Louis. As a bureaucratic state, Israel has failed holocaust survivors, but it also provided them a place when they had no where else to go.

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