Jewish on Yik Yak | i am a proud jew but i can’t bring myself to be a zionist. the man who founded the idea of zionism, theodore herzl, was an athiest who did not believe in God, yet used the excuse of finding a place for God’s chosen people to fuel his colonialism in the

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i am a proud jew but i can’t bring myself to be a zionist. the man who founded the idea of zionism, theodore herzl, was an athiest who did not believe in God, yet used the excuse of finding a place for God’s chosen people to fuel his colonialism in the

Anonymous 4w

to be honest, it’s largely debated whether herzl was an atheist or not. and while political zionism was started by him, the idea of zionism was not.

Anonymous 4w

So do you as a proud Jew affirm the Jewish connection to the Land? Because Zionism as a political theory is modern, but the drive to return from exile is a core part of Judaism. It’s just tragic that return from exile was bought at the cost of a new exile of another people.

Anonymous 4w

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Anonymous 4w

I think you’re conflating different types of Zionism. You’re right Theodore Herzl was completely secular but his vision of a Jewish state was also completely secular. There was also religious Zionism like Rav Kook who believes in returning to the land for religious reasons. Hertz will never used religion as a justification for a Jewish state. All Jews have a history in Israel and whether you believe that it’s religious or archaeological it exist. Early Zionist writers may have referred to it as

Anonymous 4w

you’re correct

Anonymous

#1 4w

i do affirm the jewish connection to the land, theres no doubt in that, and both jews and palestinians both have ancient canaanite ancestry so i believe we (as in we groups of people) should be able to live together, but that sadly isn’t the reality

Anonymous

OP 4w

Look into the modern Canaanist movement. Check out Elijah Kahlenberg

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Anonymous

#1 4w

thank you, i will

Anonymous

#2 4w

His original solution to antisemitism was for Jews to mass convert to Christianity, bro was cooked

Anonymous

#1 4w

oh, i’m not defending him at all. i’m just engaging in discussion.

Anonymous

#2 4w

you’re right lol thats what i meant to say

Anonymous

#3 4w

Colonization, but that was the language of the time and it has a different connotation at the time, Zionism is the largest and most successful decolonization movement of all time. They took this massive diaspora group and returned them home.

Anonymous

#3 3w

A return if a diaspora group to a place their ancestors were from and decolonization are totally different things

Anonymous

#1 3w

Sure, but Zionism is about a specific kind of return that doesn’t involve redemption form exile

Anonymous

#5 2w

What is it, if it's not decolonization?