Anonymous #2 18w

It’s never been a good faith argument and it’s time we start accepting that. The people who want to hate us will always find reasons to

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Anonymous #4 18w

Either way people act like it’s the most hateful thing in the world

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Anonymous OP 18w

I think most of those people do not have the nuance and historical context here to see much distinction between Zionism and Kahanism aside from degrees of support for the same thing

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i wasn’t talking about people who disagree with Zionism or anti-Zionists, i was talking specifically about people who think Zionists are equal to white supremacists. i think there are plenty of valid reasons to critique or disagree with Zionism

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Anonymous #6 17w

You do know Zionism just means believing in the right for Jews to exist in Israel which was made for Jews to have a safe place right?

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Anonymous #6 17w

oh ya remember when Zionism enslaved an entire race of people for hundreds of years and established a system of white supremacy that was so powerful and longlasting that it defines where we live and who we know to this day

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Anonymous #2 17w

(that’s sarcasm by the way not a conspiracy theory)

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Anonymous OP 17w

No it’s not about the right for Jews to exist but a right to a nation state. No one is entitled to a ethno nation state. & it can’t be a safe place if it’s made at the expense of a local population

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Anonymous #2 17w

Zionism is another form of structural racism involving violence

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Anonymous #6 17w

What makes the Jewish plight for self determination any more racist/violent than any other indigenous plight for self determination?

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Anonymous #6 17w

do you genuinely think its “almost worse” than ideologies that have created the Transatlantic slave trade, millennia of institutionalized sexual violence against women, or extremely high rates of murder and suicide in lgbtq teens around the world

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Anonymous #2 17w

I’m glad I couldn’t tell if you were serious or not

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Anonymous OP 17w

i know i realized after i wrote it that it unfortunately wasn’t clear lol

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Zionism is a national movement and most people oppose it because of the suffering it caused Palestinians who also have a national movement in the same land

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What’s happening is awful but don’t minimize other forms of bigotry when you’re talking about it. These are centuries- or millennia-old global systems, not a modern regional conflict over a specific piece of land

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And the Palestinian plight for self determination isn’t the exact same thing because….?

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Their national movement is built on the same exact principles as Zionism except for the minor addition of no Jews

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Okay I give up I hope you figure it out one day

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Because they tried. And failed lol. Your only argument is that one side won the war that could’ve been avoided by simply not declaring war

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So you feel Jews are an exception from every other group in the work to try and achieve self determination. That’s all you had to say. You’re gonna talk to a wall so long as you refuse to understand the concept that the Zionist movement in 1948 was a self determination movement recognized by the UN, not a colonialist project. The only credit I’ll give the Palestinian nationalist movement for their mistake in 1948 is that they didn’t actually have a national identity until ‘67

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You are misunderstanding me, I don’t sit by and watch anything. I take action for what I believe in and what I believe is what Israel is doing to Palestinians is wrong. However I don’t believe that makes the entire existence of Israel wrong. I try to use whatever connection or influence I have as a Jewish person (which is really not much) to change Israel for the better, not destroy it

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Anonymous #2 17w

And I am not saying some people’s suffering is not “as bad” as others that’s ridiculous. I’m sorry you feel disillusioned about Jewish culture but I think if you give people a chance you might find out that most people are closer in opinion to you than you think

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Anonymous #2 17w

And finally, my point had nothing to do with how long things have been going on for or to say anything that is happening to Palestinians somehow is okay. I’m sorry that it came across that way, that wasn’t what I meant

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I think where we disagree is that I don’t think Zionism is synonymous with genocide. I think it is perfectly possible to believe in an ideal and also disagree with things that are done in its name

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Anonymous OP 17w

Yeah your screenshot definition is exactly what I said? It’s about a Jewish ethno state? When you said it’s about Jews right to exist there? Two totally different things

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Anonymous #6 17w

That doesn’t say it’s an ethno state it says it’s a Jewish nation aka a place for Jewish people to live and exist, that doesn’t say everyone else should be killed

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Anonymous OP 17w

A Jewish nation state is an ethno state wdym 😭😭 a state where your rights are determined by ethnicity?

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Anonymous #6 17w

Cause no other country’s have ethnicity determine your rights…

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Anonymous OP 17w

There are other ethnostates, yes

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The word “colonial” and “colonize” had different meanings in the 1800s!! It was a movement to encourage people to move and legally purchase land, which they did. We have words today that mean something different than they did 5 years ago, and you think 150 years doesn’t?

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Anonymous #3 17w

The big difference is that Zionism was a movement started by people not living in the land they wished to build a nation-state in, where the ethnic group by which it wanted said nation-state to be governed was a minority, and required a process of colonization and dispossession

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Anonymous #2 17w

I agree that genocide is not necessary for Zionism, but I’d argue ethnic cleansing is, which is still a deep injustice

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What

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