Anonymous yourfavoritejewishgirl 4w

48 countries have Muslim majority and 120 countries have Christian majority. But one country the size of New Jersey who acts as the only Jewish majority country somehow doesn’t have a right to exist?

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Anonymous OP 4w

The fact those countries have a majority of a given religious group has nothing to do with my point. The Jewish people have a right to exist, just as Christians and Muslims do. Israel is a state with a specific ideology and an ethnic basis for existence, but it is in no way equivalent to the Jewish people. People have rights. States do not.

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Anonymous yourfavoritejewishgirl 4w

Downvoting me will not make you better at arguing by the way

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Anonymous yourfavoritejewishgirl 4w

You downvoted me too…

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Anonymous OP 4w

That’s because I’m creaming you, winner’s lot and all that

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Anonymous yourfavoritejewishgirl 4w

Lmao so it’s okay when you do it but nobody else? Time for some self reflection. You aren’t winning anything..

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Anonymous OP 4w

Then tell me how I’m wrong. Tell me how states can have rights.

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Anonymous yourfavoritejewishgirl 4w

Also numerous Muslim countries are based on Islam. Their entire government formation is based on Islam. Yet you don’t say they shouldn’t exist. Like Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Turkey, etc

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Anonymous yourfavoritejewishgirl 4w

I’m saying Jews have a connection to Israel. Destroying the government doesn’t change our connection. It is okay for Israel to have a Jewish majority, same as numerous other countries who have a different religious majority. It must also be simultaneously equal for members of other religions though. For government policy to not be based on religion.

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Anonymous OP 4w

All countries have some element of religion in their founding because spirituality is a fundamental human expression. I don’t take issue with the fact Israel is religious. I take issue with the idea that Israel has rights like a person has rights. No state has rights. Ideological concepts enforced with military violence are not people.

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Anonymous yourfavoritejewishgirl 4w

Israel is a secular multiethnic democracy, not an ethnostate

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Anonymous yourfavoritejewishgirl 4w

And just to clarify because you mixed this up, I didn’t even *say* that Israel shouldn’t exist. I think that’s true, but what I actually said was Israel doesn’t have the right to exist.

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Anonymous yourfavoritejewishgirl 4w

I’m saying Israel as a country should be able to exist. Just like it would be wrong to say the United States should no longer exist and be destroyed because of Trump would be a crazy thing to say. You can promote political and societal change but not eliminating a country’s existence.

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Anonymous #2 4w

Need y’all to decide if Israel is a religious stand-in for the Jewish people or a secular democratic state

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Anonymous OP 4w

The United States does not have the right to exist because it does not have rights because it is not a person. It is a state. Does that help you understand what I’m saying?

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Anonymous yourfavoritejewishgirl 4w

You’re arguing something completely separate from what I’m actually saying

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Anonymous yourfavoritejewishgirl 4w

What I’m saying is that a government should not base its laws or leaders about religion. But it is okay for a country to have a religious majority. It is okay to acknowledge how certain countries have heavy religious histories and connections. Like Italy has a strong connection with Catholicism. But their government isn’t based on it.

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Anonymous OP 4w

This has literally nothing to do with what I’m saying. I’m saying your assertion that Israel has the “right” to exist is wrong because Israel is a state. Not a person. Only people have rights. States do not have rights. Ergo, no state has the right to exist. Words mean things.

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Anonymous yourfavoritejewishgirl 4w

Okay. My original post was saying that it is wrong to call for Israel’s destruction. It is wrong to want to eliminate the one Jewish country. It is wrong to blame antisemitism and these conspiracy theories on Israel the only Jewish country. For people to stop blaming us for their antisemitism

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Anonymous OP 4w

Your original post says “stop claiming Israel’s right to exist as a safe haven for Jews is propaganda”. I’m illustrating to you, very patiently, how it is exactly that. Because states do not have a right to exist. Because states do not have rights. Because only people have rights.

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Anonymous #2 4w

But you’re still a Zionist if you believe in the existence of Israel. There are many groups of Zionists including religious Zionists

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Anonymous yourfavoritejewishgirl 3w

this is such a stupid POV to have. people have rights bc the country gives them rights. Israel has a right to exist bc Israel gives Jews the right to practice judaism freely

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Anonymous yourfavoritejewishgirl 3w

you’re rhetoric is extremely harmful and ignorant bc you ignore centuries of antisemitism. every jew is an immigrant bc of antisemitism, that’s why Israel must exist

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Anonymous #6 3w

You think countries give people rights? You don’t believe in any construct of intrinsic rights that our entire legal system and government is literally framed on? How on Earth would an idea have rights? Much to ponder with your dumbass assertion

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Anonymous yourfavoritejewishgirl 3w

you literally are not making any sense. What rights do humans intrinsically have? A right to exist freely? To form opinions? to eat to breath? you know who allows that to happen?? democratic governments not becuase you just exist.

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Anonymous #6 3w

“To breath”. Philosophical titan here. Humans have the intrinsic rights laid out in our fucking founding documents, dipshit. Humans, for one thing, have the right to exist according to western philosophy. That’s the right you’re erroneously contributing to a fucking concept in the notion that states have rights. They don’t. Ideas don’t have rights.

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Anonymous #6 3w

I’m literally Jewish, so you’re not really gonna play the antisemitism card with me. Nobody is ignoring antisemitism. It doesn’t negate the fact that ideas don’t have rights.

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Anonymous yourfavoritejewishgirl 3w

And yes, governments *protect* those rights, but they absolutely do not grant them. This is literally the single concept absolutely necessary to understand the declaration of independence and constitution. Literally western philosophy 101 shit,

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