Anonymous #2 35w

I mean, we’re a definitionally a diasporic ethnoreligious group with a pretty clear land-based practice. History has not exactly been kind to Jews in diaspora and the desire to return to Eretz Yisrael isn’t a new one. It predates the official birth of “Zionism” as a political belief.

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Anonymous #4 35w

oh they’re real quiet after this one huh

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Anonymous #4 35w

Israel is the Jewish homeland, we are indigenous. Israel has tried negotiating a 2 state solution, Palestinians rejected it every time.

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Anonymous OP 35w

and palestinians are also indigenous so idk what ur point is but thanks for not addressing what i actually said

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Anonymous #4 35w

I said Jews need a safe haven because we have been persecuted. We have landed in Israel because that is our homeland where we are safe and protected. Palestinians are not indigenous, they’re indigenous to neighboring countries like Egypt and Jordan.

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Anonymous OP 35w

you know what country is in the middle between jordan and egypt? israel. if they’re indigenous to the surrounding countries they are most likely indigenous to israel too

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Anonymous #2 35w

That doesn’t add up.. that would be like me saying if I’m American that must mean I have ties to Canada and Mexico too. It doesn’t work like that 😭

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Anonymous OP 35w

so it’s actually more like if a group of people are indigenous to canada and mexico then they’re probably also indigenous to the us. which is actually pretty reasonable to conclude

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Anonymous OP 34w

If you are native american, that is exactly how it works😭

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Anonymous #3 34w

Sure, but we’re not just a diaspora, we are in exile, and the three oaths are pretty clear on where our religious tradition stands on all this

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Anonymous #4 34w

I’d say if I those people had the same history and relationship with an area as the Jews had with the land of Israel, they should be allowed to live there.

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Anonymous mountainjew 34w

this is actually a really important distinction because antizionists are not against jewish people simply living in the land of israel. zionism is about the existence of the state of israel, not about who is allowed to live on that land

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Anonymous #4 34w

I have extreme doubts that the existence of a Palestinian state from the river to the sea would allow any Jews.

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Anonymous mountainjew 34w

why do you think that?

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Anonymous #2 34w

Because Palestinian authority are antisemitic. Jews aren’t allowed in Gaza as is. From the river to the sea is a call for ethnic cleansing of Jews from the land.

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Anonymous mountainjew 34w

the existence of the state of israel relies on the ethnic cleansing of palestinians, and that’s also not my point at all.

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Anonymous mountainjew 34w

you’re saying jews should be allowed to live in the land of israel and nobody is denying that except the die hard antisemites. why does a palestinian state necessarily not allow jewish people?

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Anonymous mountainjew 34w

why not? Jewish people lived in the Levant prior to the state of israel existing

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Anonymous #2 34w

Based on the Palestinian riots to Jewish immigration pre-1948 and the fact that there are no Jews in Gaza or the West Bank , I’m inclined to think that Palestinians state wouldn’t accept Jews, but it’s probably too speculative.

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Anonymous mountainjew 34w

it’s not too speculative, it’s ignorant. this is like asking why there aren’t many white folk on indigenous reservations and then blaming the indigenous peoples for being placed in reservations

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Anonymous #5 34w

Not really… Palestinians never accepted Jews. Attacked Jews both verbally and physically. Former terror groups who state in their charter they’ll never agree to peace or live alongside Jews. One fatal mistake you make is assuming Israelis are white oppressors against Palestinians the oppressed brown people. Stop infantilising arabs. They are largely responsible for colonialism, ethnic cleansing, genocide, etc in the Middle East and North Africa.

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Anonymous mountainjew 34w

First off their are Jews in the West Bank, and Jews have far more rights in the West Bank than Palestinians do. Id encourage you to look more into this if you’re unfamiliar, there are even Israeli organizations like B'Tselem that have documented a lot of this

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Anonymous OP 34w

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the history of this. To suggest that the dynamic is just Israelis being white oppressors is a misunderstanding of the dynamic is a misunderstanding, but it is also a misunderstanding to assume it was about the Zionist immigrants’ Judaism, because the early Palestinian nationalist movement when rallying against Zionism made overtures to those Jews as fellow Arabs and asked them to join them

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Anonymous OP 34w

Jews in the holy land pre-Zionism certainly didn’t have some kind of perfect relationship with their Muslim and Christian neighbors but it was good enough that at the start of Zionist immigration, the majority opinion among the local Jewish population was that Ashkenazim immigrating should learn Arabic and try to assimilate, and they wished to reconcile their Arab and new Zionist neighbors This was not just Jewish immigration, there’d been Jewish immigration for many years…

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Anonymous OP 34w

I’d add that particularly in Jerusalem, the Sephardic community was very close with its Muslim Arab neighbors, which is part of why even the Sephardic Zionist newspapers in the Ottoman period expressed a wish for Zionism to exist in collaboration and cooperation with their Muslim Arab neighbors under a shared Ottoman rule They had a much less positive relationship with Christian Arabs, who they viewed as agents of European imperialism who sought to spread antisemitism in the Ottoman Empire

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