Anonymous #1 6w

As if their neighbors don’t have genocidal intentions…

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Anonymous OP 6w

Right because the people facing stage 5 famine are capable of doing genocide against Israel(still wouldn’t be Jews)… oh wait they aren’t because Israel is genociding them right now

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Anonymous #1 6w

Except you’re forgetting about Hamas. They hoard UN aid, aren’t starving, and have genocidal intentions against Israelis and Jews. Oh wait there’s also no genocide

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Anonymous OP 6w

All of that is invalidated by the fact that Israel imposes genocide and starvation on innocent people

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Anonymous #1 6w

It’s Hamas who are hoarding the aid. Israel has sent hundreds of trucks of aid. Hamas is imposing Palestinians suffering. Also they aren’t innocent. Many of them participated and supported 10/07

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Anonymous OP 6w

Millions of children participated in October 7th? Again none of that matters because we are talking about how Israel is committing a genocide on innocent people

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Anonymous #1 6w

Again, they aren’t innocent. All of these things matter. Israel isn’t 100% the villain and Palestine 100% the victim. Stop thinking so black and white, it’s creating a bias!

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Anonymous #1 6w

Millions? It’s 2.1 million people total.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Hamas doing something bad to Palestinians does not change the fact that Israel is genociding them. You are really claiming millions of women and children are all guilty? That’s some interesting logic that funny enough was used against the Jews at one point. You’re a disgusting human being

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Anonymous OP 6w

2.1>1 therefore plural you’re wrong and poorly educated it seems

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Anonymous #1 6w

Yet you’re calling all Israelis guilty? All Israelis deserve to be harassed? All Zionists deserve to be harassed? Maybe you’re the disgusting one.

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Anonymous #1 6w

That’s people total, not just children. It seems you have poor reading comprehension skills

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Anonymous OP 6w

Did I call all Israelis guilty? When did I say that? I said supporting the genocide is bad. Not that people should be harassed but that if you publicly support genocide you should be shamed.

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Anonymous OP 6w

You sure like straw men

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Anonymous OP 6w

Over half the population is children 2.1/2>1

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Anonymous #1 6w

I’m saying supporting Israel’s right to exist isn’t wrong. Supporting Israeli’s humanity and right to live safely isn’t wrong. If you publicly engage in Hamas propaganda you should be shamed

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Anonymous #1 6w

It’s not over half… 40% are minors. Maybe you’re uneducated

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Anonymous OP 6w

Zionism is not simply Jews existing. Zionism is the perpetual oppression of Palestinians. It is a Jewish ethnostate to the detriment of Palestinians not just a state with no impact on anyone else. It doesn’t matter what you think Zionism is actions matter. Israel does genocide right now and if you support the Israeli gov you support genocide. Simple. If you had an ounce of empathy in your body you’d see the parallels in what was done to the Jews being done to others

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Anonymous OP 6w

It was over half but who knows now that so many of those people are dead. I also said women and children lmao which is definitely true. Millions of innocent non combatants among children, women, the elderly, and if you want to include the sick and weak then that’s the entire population now

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Anonymous #1 6w

That isn’t true. Zionism is supporting Israel’s right to exist. Not supporting the suffering of Palestinians. Crazy how you say calling all Palestinians complicit is wrong. But calling supporting Israel in any regard is being supportive of genocide.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Supporting the Israeli government is wrong in any case yes. Supporting innocent people wanting to live is not wrong. Again what is actually done is what matters. And what is being done? Israel is only existing while killing and oppressing the Palestinians. That it was Zionism means now. Even the original creation was defined as a colonial project by Theodore Herzl

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Anonymous #1 6w

Supporting Israel’s right to exist isn’t wrong. Condemning Israelis being discriminated against whether that’s murder, rape, kidnapping, etc isn’t wrong. Wanting the hostages released isn’t wrong. Condemning Hamas and Palestinian’s participation in the war isn’t wrong. Acting as if Palestinians have zero participation in this, no hate, no violence, no kidnappings, etc is delusional. Acting as if Hamas isn’t also responsible for Palestinian suffering is delusional.

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Anonymous OP 6w

I never said Hamas didn’t play a role. I said Israel is doing a genocide. And you’re supporting it. You’re acting like a non Jew in Germany who would’ve stood by and fallen for all the propaganda about how Jews were ruining Germany. You’re a fucking disgrace to our culture. There’s a reason Holocaust survivors speak out against Israel.

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Anonymous #1 6w

You are the kapo. Falling for antisemitic propaganda that got us killed in Nazi germany. Supporting the very people who emulate Nazi ideology. Boot licking the antisemites who would have killed you regardless. It’s sad, betraying your own people. Supporting the people who want us dead. You’re the disgrace.

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Anonymous OP 6w

All that but where’s the condemnation of the bombings of Gaza? Where’s the condemnations of Israeli settlers murdering people to take their homes in the West Bank?

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Anonymous #1 6w

Where’s the condemnation of Palestinians taking Israeli’s hostage? Throwing stones at them as they were taken to the tunnels. Having parades to celebrate Israelis deaths. Condemning Hamas for hoarding aid which leads the civilians to starve. Condemning Hamas for indoctrinating their people to hate and attack Israelis. Our Israeli Jewish hostages are starving and you have nothing to say. Instead you support the people starving them. You’re a disgrace to our community.

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Anonymous #2 6w

I mean, we’re a definitionally a diasporic ethnoreligious group with a pretty clear land-based practice. History has not exactly been kind to Jews in diaspora and the desire to return to Eretz Yisrael isn’t a new one. It predates the official birth of “Zionism” as a political belief.

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Anonymous OP 6w

You’re calling people race traitors and I’m supposed to believe that the Zionist movement hasn’t been consumed by the same supremacist logic that dictates other colonial societies. You’re a racist and a supremacist

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Anonymous #5 6w

The especially sad thing is that the moderation here will remove anything that mentions decolonization, yet slurs calling people race traitors are perfectly fine? The sad part is that people here support it, yet cannot see that they’re functionally the same as MAGA, the Nazis, or any other supremacist movement. You’re a fascist

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Anonymous #4 6w

oh they’re real quiet after this one huh

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Anonymous #4 6w

Israel is the Jewish homeland, we are indigenous. Israel has tried negotiating a 2 state solution, Palestinians rejected it every time.

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Anonymous OP 6w

and palestinians are also indigenous so idk what ur point is but thanks for not addressing what i actually said

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Anonymous #4 6w

I said Jews need a safe haven because we have been persecuted. We have landed in Israel because that is our homeland where we are safe and protected. Palestinians are not indigenous, they’re indigenous to neighboring countries like Egypt and Jordan.

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Anonymous OP 6w

you know what country is in the middle between jordan and egypt? israel. if they’re indigenous to the surrounding countries they are most likely indigenous to israel too

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Anonymous #2 6w

That doesn’t add up.. that would be like me saying if I’m American that must mean I have ties to Canada and Mexico too. It doesn’t work like that 😭

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Anonymous OP 6w

so it’s actually more like if a group of people are indigenous to canada and mexico then they’re probably also indigenous to the us. which is actually pretty reasonable to conclude

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Anonymous OP 6w

If you are native american, that is exactly how it works😭

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Anonymous #1 5w

Over half of people in Gaza were 19 and under, not over half children, I’m not sure if the actual number was 40% like the other person said but that seems plausible

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Anonymous OP 5w

Zionism is supporting Israel’s right to be an explicitly “Jewish state,” and Israel being a “Jewish state” in the long term is not possible without the subjugation of Palestinians. It’s not that being a Zionist means someone directly supports suffering of Palestinians, I know many are horrified by it, but they are supporting something that is built on and continued to rely upon it

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Anonymous #3 5w

Sure, but we’re not just a diaspora, we are in exile, and the three oaths are pretty clear on where our religious tradition stands on all this

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Anonymous #4 5w

I’d say if I those people had the same history and relationship with an area as the Jews had with the land of Israel, they should be allowed to live there.

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Anonymous mountainjew 5w

this is actually a really important distinction because antizionists are not against jewish people simply living in the land of israel. zionism is about the existence of the state of israel, not about who is allowed to live on that land

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Anonymous #4 5w

I have extreme doubts that the existence of a Palestinian state from the river to the sea would allow any Jews.

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Anonymous mountainjew 5w

why do you think that?

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Anonymous #2 5w

Because Palestinian authority are antisemitic. Jews aren’t allowed in Gaza as is. From the river to the sea is a call for ethnic cleansing of Jews from the land.

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Anonymous mountainjew 5w

the existence of the state of israel relies on the ethnic cleansing of palestinians, and that’s also not my point at all.

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Anonymous mountainjew 5w

you’re saying jews should be allowed to live in the land of israel and nobody is denying that except the die hard antisemites. why does a palestinian state necessarily not allow jewish people?

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Anonymous mountainjew 5w

why not? Jewish people lived in the Levant prior to the state of israel existing

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Anonymous #2 5w

Based on the Palestinian riots to Jewish immigration pre-1948 and the fact that there are no Jews in Gaza or the West Bank , I’m inclined to think that Palestinians state wouldn’t accept Jews, but it’s probably too speculative.

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Anonymous mountainjew 5w

it’s not too speculative, it’s ignorant. this is like asking why there aren’t many white folk on indigenous reservations and then blaming the indigenous peoples for being placed in reservations

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Anonymous #5 5w

Not really… Palestinians never accepted Jews. Attacked Jews both verbally and physically. Former terror groups who state in their charter they’ll never agree to peace or live alongside Jews. One fatal mistake you make is assuming Israelis are white oppressors against Palestinians the oppressed brown people. Stop infantilising arabs. They are largely responsible for colonialism, ethnic cleansing, genocide, etc in the Middle East and North Africa.

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Anonymous mountainjew 5w

First off their are Jews in the West Bank, and Jews have far more rights in the West Bank than Palestinians do. Id encourage you to look more into this if you’re unfamiliar, there are even Israeli organizations like B'Tselem that have documented a lot of this

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Anonymous OP 5w

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the history of this. To suggest that the dynamic is just Israelis being white oppressors is a misunderstanding of the dynamic is a misunderstanding, but it is also a misunderstanding to assume it was about the Zionist immigrants’ Judaism, because the early Palestinian nationalist movement when rallying against Zionism made overtures to those Jews as fellow Arabs and asked them to join them

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Anonymous OP 5w

Jews in the holy land pre-Zionism certainly didn’t have some kind of perfect relationship with their Muslim and Christian neighbors but it was good enough that at the start of Zionist immigration, the majority opinion among the local Jewish population was that Ashkenazim immigrating should learn Arabic and try to assimilate, and they wished to reconcile their Arab and new Zionist neighbors This was not just Jewish immigration, there’d been Jewish immigration for many years…

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Anonymous OP 5w

I’d add that particularly in Jerusalem, the Sephardic community was very close with its Muslim Arab neighbors, which is part of why even the Sephardic Zionist newspapers in the Ottoman period expressed a wish for Zionism to exist in collaboration and cooperation with their Muslim Arab neighbors under a shared Ottoman rule They had a much less positive relationship with Christian Arabs, who they viewed as agents of European imperialism who sought to spread antisemitism in the Ottoman Empire

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