Anonymous #1 15h

Amnesty International calls it an apartheid

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Anonymous #1 15h

Human rights watch

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Anonymous #1 15h

University network for human rights

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Anonymous #1 15h

And the UN (all these sources have a bias towards the west (which incl Israel), too) What’s your source?

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Anonymous #2 15h

What’s happening in the West Bank is a sort of apartheid where Israeli citizens live next door to people who are basically stateless and have all kinds of advantages and protections that their neighbors do not

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Anonymous #2 15h

Within 1967 Israel it’s more like systemic discrimination and probably less of it than in other states with a state religion

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Anonymous #2 15h

Notice all the A.I. links are about the West Bank

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Anonymous #2 15h

As Israel continues to expand settlements and the government is open about seeking annexation I think it’s fair to then include the West Bank as part of “Israel”

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Anonymous #1 14h

All your sources reference Gaza though. Israel does not have sovereignty over Gaza. I’m talking about Israel where they are the sovereign authority. How can you have segregation over people you do not control. And what makes this argument worse is the millions of Palestinians who live in Israel with the exact same rights as anyone else Arab, Jew, Christian etc…

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Anonymous #2 14h

Your 2nd comment makes sense and yes it is a confusion on what Israel really controls. And if you wanna call it discrimination or unfair that someone have protection is fine. But apartheid has such little relevance to that. If anything it sounds more like imperialism

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Anonymous #2 14h

I don’t agree with this as much. If anything I would say it’s not fair to include the West Bank considering Israel had countless times tried to give it up to Palestinians it’s just been rejected

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Anonymous OP 14h

No, pretty sure it’s mostly the West Bank.. How does Israel not have sovereignty over either? They literally control everything in both regions? Water, food, movement, infrastructure, airports, freedom of movement…everything Also Palestinians in Israel don’t have the same rights as Jews. They have less rights and face systemic discrimination

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Anonymous #3 14h

Doesn’t answer my question at all

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Anonymous #1 14h

Just cause Israel controls many parts of its borders doesn’t mean they control it. There is a reason there aren’t Israelis living there. There is even an official regime over Gaza that isn’t Israel. If Israel controlled it the war would be Israel vs Israel which sounds really dumb. As for the rights, this is completely incorrect. If anything there are even exclusive religious rights many Palestinians get that other religious groups don’t. Israel gives them their own court system.

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Anonymous #1 14h

Name one right Palestinians living in Israel don’t have any others have

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Anonymous OP 14h

Yes bc Israel forcibly removed them 😭 And the don’t have the same rights when it comes to owning land

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Anonymous OP 14h

They don’t have the right to self determination, they don’t have the right to return, limits residency and citizenship, they don’t have their language officially recognized. There are dozens of laws with discrepancies of rights according to ethnicity

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Anonymous #1 14h

Here’s a list that compares the discrepancies https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index

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Anonymous OP 14h

Then there are many examples of de facto discrimination and oppression. Almost half of Palestinians with Israeli citizenship fall under the poverty line. Lower life expectancy, higher infant mortality rate, less access to education and resources, and less government funding. Here’s Adalah’s inequality report https://www.adalah.org/uploads/oldfiles/upfiles/2011/Adalah_The_Inequality_Report_March_2011.pdf

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Anonymous OP 14h

Another report https://ps.boell.org/sites/default/files/2020-06/Round%20Table%204%20English.pdf

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Anonymous #1 14h

“Your movement” you mean hamas?

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Anonymous OP 14h

And this one https://adva.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/SocialReport2016-EN.pdf

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Anonymous #4 14h

Hamas? No, literally your ability to move with your two feet? Your ability to move with your two feet wherever you want to go?

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Anonymous OP 14h

It kinda does.

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Anonymous #4 14h

Yes

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Meant that for op, my bad

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Anonymous OP 13h

This book might help answer your question further

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Anonymous OP 13h

Okay if you dont wanna call it an apartheid are you able to use your eyes and see that 25000 children (agreed upon number and doesn’t include the thousands buried under rubble) is bad

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Anonymous #1 12h

Yes, Palestinians are allowed to own any land they can purchase in Israel

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Anonymous #1 11h

They do have right to self determination Israel offered it almost 15 times they just never accepted it. They don’t have the right to return cause a terrorist state is currently in authority. They have the same citizenship rights. Their language doesn’t need to be the official one this is dumb. Plenty of Spanish speakers are in America our official language is English

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Anonymous #1 11h

Yeah the rights based on ethnicity are all religious. For example there are different courts for different religions

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Anonymous #1 11h

Right cuase adalah def isn’t bias. African Americans fall under American poverty line that doesn’t mean they have less rights. Any Palestinians can do anything an Israeli can. I should know considering I’ve met Palestinians in Israel who support Israel

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Anonymous #3 11h

I’ve read it. You should go read other books instead of preaching one. Your bias is hilarious. You refuse to do research that doesn’t confirm your opinion and it shows

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Anonymous #5 11h

This isn’t factual. Israel doesn’t agree to that number at all if you did one second of reading lol. And it makes no sense considering an AGREED upon number of 70k total deaths a third of which are military so your saying half of all people not military killed are children. Anyone with a brain knows that makes no sense. The distribution would look so skewed. Also you do realize there are countless wars with mich higher death tolls so while yes this is bad it’s not nearly as bad as MANY others

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Anonymous OP 11h

“All these international organizations are wrong and we must trust what Israel says, they don’t target civilians and don’t support the illegal settlements”

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Anonymous OP 11h

I mean one Google search will tell you the IDF told Israeli journalists they acknowledged the 70,000 death count as accurate back in January and yes about 20-25k of those deaths are children, not including missing people (burried under rubble) and in total 64k children maimed or killed

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Anonymous OP 11h

Jokes aside what research do you suggest?

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Anonymous #5 10h

Two of your sources are literally run in part by Jordan a country that has disputes with Israel. If you can’t find the conflict of interest there you’re just dumb. Your third source isn’t even in English so not sure how you can tell me there is a list. Here’s a bright idea. Go into Israeli law which yes can be found in English and tell me where it says Palestinians can’t do something or get less rights. We know you can’t cause it proves your narrative wrong.

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Anonymous #5 10h

Only one side of this war has come to the table to negotiate. Israel has offered them land like 20 times to end this war. Hamas charter up until like 4 years ago said they want to kill all Jews. If that isn’t apartheid idk what is.

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Anonymous OP 10h

Are you trying to say Palestine is an apartheid now lmfao

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Anonymous #5 10h

So you agree you’re just wrong and it isn’t agreed 20-25 k children died. It wasn’t agreed on and you lied Israel agrees to the 70k total not the 20k children. Who’s to say you aren’t just spewing other nonsense. How can you claim to know 64 k are stuck under buildings 😂. Where is your source? Who agreed to that number?!

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Anonymous OP 10h

UNICEF, yeah of course Israel isn’t gonna come straight out and say yeah we straight up killed 20k children

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Anonymous OP 10h

64,000 is total children both dead and maimed combined this number and all the total death counts don’t count missing people (which are the people buried under rubble)

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Anonymous #3 10h

Well for starters read any book on apartheid maybe Apartheid : a history by Brian lapping was pretty good.

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Anonymous #3 10h

If you really wanted to take an unbiased stance I’m assuming you have read many justifications for Hamas and what’s been happening so in order to better judge the conflict you should read something that attempts to defend the Israeli side. I recommend the case for Israel by Alan Dershowitz but there are others. If you read it unbiased i think you may find a more middle ground to this war.

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Anonymous #5 10h

No but I am claiming that they have more attributes to an apartheid society than Israel and it’s not close

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Anonymous #5 10h

And where did unicef get those numbers. I wanna see the data send the link. Why would Israel not come out and say that hit say they killed 70k 🤦‍♂️

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Anonymous #5 10h

Where did you get the 64k was it made up? How can you know all those that are missing?? Like you gotta start making sense without throwing out crazy claims

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Anonymous OP 10h

Idk I’m not apart of the United Nations children’s fund, but seriously use some critical thinking why would Israel who’s global public support is in the fucking tank come out and say yeah we killed 20k+ kids that’s just shooting yourself in the foot pr wise

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Anonymous OP 10h

UNICEF Yk a United Nations humans rights organization specifically for children

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Anonymous #5 10h

We were digging people out of ground zero for 9 months this will take fucking years to get the total death counts

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Anonymous #5 10h

Cause the stats are gonna come out anyways. If you even cared to read the report you would see the source they cited for that stat. Was it their own research? No it was the ministry of health in Gaza which have been said to be taking bribes by the way to inflate numbers. So stop being dumb and read your sources. It’s not the un saying this its a captured entity the un chose to cite.

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Anonymous OP 6h

Honestly given the destruction there’s a high chance that the numbers are a underestimate of the casualties. Idk how anyone can look at Gaza & think that a good portion of the deaths are made up unless you genuinely believe the Palestinians are just built different & bombs don’t effect them like regular people lol

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Anonymous #6 6h

But Israel won’t let foreigner journalists or groups into Gaza to do an investigation so until that happens we won’t know for sure & I can’t see Israel allowing any independent investigation into the deaths

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Anonymous #6 5h

If you wanna think that that’s fine I’m sure there are more deaths that haven’t been accounted for. Idk how many more. But I also doubt the number is more than 60k and that is a HUGE stretch in my eyes but I digress

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Anonymous #6 5h

Yeah cause most get shot and it’s an active war zone. Also it completely compromises Israel. You do realize Hamas takes hostages and tortured them for information right? And that’s not to say they haven’t even let journalists in with military aid some have been allowed. Once it’s over if Israel doesn’t let journalists in then you have a fair point but I guess that all depends on how this thing ends

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Anonymous OP 5h

I mean Hamas isn’t the one killing aid workers & journalists it’s Israel so idk what you’re taking about.

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Anonymous OP 5h

Point by point: that’s not true, that’s not the full truth (you’re leaving out a lot), not a terrorist state, they don’t have the same citizenship rights, uhh Spanish should def be an official language here?? (Much of the US is formerly Spanish territory then Mexico), the rights aren’t based in religion, your sources are the pro hegemonic view & you should really challenge that, and black Americans DO have less rights idk what you’re talking about, Palestinians certainly can’t do whatever

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Anonymous OP 5h

whatever Israelis do. Hamas has been way willing to negotiate and compromise than Israel ever has…. It’s like you live in an alternative universe of cognitive dissonance bc you’ve been brainwashed so badly that Jews = Israel. Which is incredibly antisemitic. So you see it as an attack on your identity and Jewishness when really it’s trying to save Judaism from the hands of fascists

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Anonymous OP 5h

And if you listen to people who lived through apartheid like Desmond tutu they’d say Israel’s apartheid is worse.

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Anonymous OP 5h

Are you seriously recommending I read what Jeffrey Epsteins lawyer and friend has to say about Israel? How did that comment get upvotes? You’re joking right?

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