Anonymous #1 9w

I did think of that. In the early 00s Arabs being harassed and bullied bc of 911. Falsely attributing the actions of Arabs involved in 911 to all Arabs. But now they’re doing the same thing to us :/

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Anonymous #1 9w

Also, especially in the US, there is a very heavy fandomization of conflicts (ie black and white, good guys and bad guys, noble savage and white colonizer) that is more or less because Americans haven’t actually experienced/impacted by an official war since 1941. This leads to great disassociation that puts conflict through a lens of familiarity (such as pop culture) that is inaccurate and harmful

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Anonymous OP 9w

Yeah the problem is that it led to a lot of noble savagery stereotypes and infantilization of Arabs that have definitely been a cause of why leftist antisemitism has been so vehement in the past years

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Anonymous #1 9w

This! People act as if any criticism of radical Islam or Arab nations is racist. The same people who whine and say we accuse them of being antisemitic for any criticism of Israel.

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Anonymous OP 9w

I think “radical Islam” is a term that can be a bit more racially charged than actuallt talking about the specific ideologies that are problems—salafism, etc—but yeah of course there’s lots of warranted criticisms of organizations, ideologies, and countries

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Anonymous #2 9w

I agree and I also raise that radical Islam is more an umbrella term. If anything Zionism has become the new “radical Islam”- something scary that can mean whatever the individual wants it to mean without having to look at actual context or understanding but has become such a buzzword

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Anonymous #1 9w

I just don’t think it’s a very accurate description because, like, “radical Islam” implies it’s somehow more Islamic, like the “radical left” is further left. But the ideologies actuallt referred to by that aren’t somehow more Islamic and in many cases differ more from traditional Islam than more liberal Islamic ideologies do

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Anonymous #3 8w

Antisemitic

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Anonymous #2 8w

Very fair point and very true. What I’m saying is that most people don’t know that second part and will just assume the worst or glean what they can from misinformation. And in recent years Zionism has become the same thing. Zionism is treated as this more Jewish and more conservative viewpoint when it isn’t more or less Jewish and is a lot more complicated

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Anonymous #2 8w

It’s like how a lot a people think Zionism is total control of the Israel/Palestine land and the mass expulsion of any minorities for Jewish supremacy and control when in actuality it just generally means a Jewish homeland or place that incorporates Jewish values. It isn’t any more Jewish and can vary greatly in personal belief/sect but most people don’t know that/refuse to see it that way. They see Zionism as this big scary thing that is a threat that isn’t too different from “Radical Islam”

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Anonymous #3 8w

I very much agree and thanks for your input. When you only hear Bibi talk or that crazy settlement woman Louis Theroux interviewed without actually meeting real Jewish people or having close relationships with them, it’ll create this problematic bias that holds every Jew accountable for some nut jobs actions. Also for many of these people the Jews they may actually know can be very reform or not as in tune with their religion/culture (which isn’t a bad thing) and that can also create a bias

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Anonymous #1 8w

Zionism does not require total control of what was the mandate of Palestine but it did require mass expulsion, not of a minority but of the majority, because Jews were not the majority

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Anonymous #2 8w

And one can say “Radical Islam” does not require everything but it does require jihads and martyrdom and honor killings because they believe it’s important to upholding an Islamic majority and power. Your point falls apart and is irrelevant. Both to their extremes are negative and incorrectly used in the modern lexicon. The idea is how people use words and umbrella concepts to allow for complete and total prejudice of a people, not over what has or hasn’t happened

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Anonymous #1 8w

“Radical Islam” is not an ideology, it has never been an ideology. There are people who call themselves Zionist, there are books by authors preaching Zionism, as an ideology. That is not the case with “radical Islam,” because a phrase that exists solely for the purpose of making Muslims sounds scary and different than other religions. There are religious extremists in Islam just like in any other religion, it has nothing to do with an “Islamic majority”

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Anonymous #1 8w

The creation of the state of Israel, which Zionism was created to do, in the borders it was created in with a Jewish majority required the ethnic cleansing of many Palestinians in that territory, and so the ethnic cleansing was done. It is official Israeli government policy that they have to have a Jewish majority, this is public info You can try to argue it could’ve been done a different way, but the parallel you’re drawing makes no sense, you’re not even comparing it to a nationalist movement

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