
Iâm Jewish, and Iâm gonna have to clarify, didnât the rockets start flying in after the part where Israel started the six days war in 1967 by taking over Gaza and the West Bank and golan heights and mount Sinai? None of which were part of the deal when the state of Israel was controversially established in the first place?
Is it POSSIBLE⌠that, from the perspective of displaced peoples who were basically forced out of house and home and cast aside as refugees to fend for themselves so that Israel could be founded, people who were not involved with or responsible for the holocaust, just to be fair, it would kind of seem like israel is not exactly an innocent victim in the ongoing conflict between Jews and Arabs? LikeâŚ. You know what Iâm saying?
Iâm losing patience for this bogus narrative that gets tossed around,where somehow Israel is just the unwitting target of unprovoked aggression by their neighbors, when I think itâs pretty clear that theyâve been at the very least equally responsible for the bad juju (no pun) between Arab nations and themselves. In fact, if we actually want to go a step further and be accurate, we might even have to admit that Israel has been the main aggressor the whole time, kinda like bullies, you know?
âŚthan the other completely made up fictional god that the other group worships⌠Iâm like, âhello, dipshits!!! Youâre both fucking looney toons, as far as Iâm concerned! Neither of these two religions is any less insane and ridiculous than the other one. Itâs all a bunch of pretend mystical magical mumbo jumbo. All the big religious leaders are a bunch of lying ass con artists date raping their followers to get rich. Jesus would have thought they are all a bunch of asshole motherfuckers.
âŚand then to create Israel out of thin air they basically put the existing residents of the area on a trail of tears to the desert like theyâre not even real people or something and the world expects these people to just suck it up and take that shit because âoh, itâs the Jews and they just went through the holocaust, so I guess we owe it to the world to just suffer through all this injustice silently and put the interests of these foreign invaders ahead of our own and do whatever they sayâŚâ??
I think thatâs a little crazy to expect blind compliance from the former inhabitants of these places that became Israel. They were there first. They got kicked out for no reason and without any recourse and sent packing. Who wouldnât be holding a grudge after something like that?? The unreasonable thing about it is that anybody ever thought these middle eastern peasants like OWED it to the Jews to get out the way and shut the fuck up. Anyone who would be surprised by the retaliation thatâs been
âŚgoing on ever since must have been living life with their head up their ass or something. Itâs pretty standard playbook type shit. Iâm just so sick of one group of humans doing this shit to another group of humans over and over and over again through the centuries. It makes me sick that we are really this brutal and unyielding toward other human beings because they wear a different color hat or their eyes are a different color or jthey worship a different completely made up fictional god than..
Israel captured Sinai because Egypt began to truce with Jordan and Syria (who had groups attacking Israel at the time) and closed off the straight there from Israel (which Egypt and Israel agreed to share). Israel didnât just take this stuff even if it wasnât outlined in the agreement. Itâs not their fault they are being bombed
Sure maybe some but you should keep in mind Israel has taken in MILLIONS of Palestinians that live with equal rights in Israel. I canât say Israel has done no wrong but they are a far more progressive state with far cleaner values for everyone than Hamas or other countries. So yes in some ways yes your right but also Israeli actions in many cases are being ignored by you. You canât be bothered to read the history on why Israel did any of this. Just what the impact had.
I mean considering Jews until Israel were basically never been dominant in a country and have documented persecution in plenty of countries throughout history itâs pretty clear they are justified in wanting their own home. How has israel been the main aggressor? I can barely think of examples where Israel unprovoked has gone out of their way to cause chaos. And the times they have they have come out MANY times and said they regret it and by the way itâs very few.
The fact that there was something there for said Arab guerillas to attack kind of says it all though, no? I mean, by definition, guerilla warfare is the tactic of the underdog against a more established, more powerful, more conventional military. To them, they were minding their business, bopping around the desert, praising allah five times a day or whatever, and all of a sudden all these funny guys showed up like, âalright, get the fuck out, this is our house now. We taking over this wholeâŚ
âŚfeckin region now. Europe says so, alright, so just scram, now, or weâll murder everybody! We donât. See where you go. Or how long youâve been living here. We keep this now. This ours. You got a problem? We blow your house up and kill your grandparents and babies. State of Israel. Blah blah blah. See the name tag bitches?â So you canât acknowledge any kind of like inherentf hypocrisy there? The Jews win Israel as a consolation prize for getting raped all over Europe during the holocaust, and..
Okay so why does something to be attacked make it okay? The us can attack France for banning us from using their airstrips? Also your wrong the us has used guerilla warfare tactics plenty. And sure Israel did pop into the region in the 1900s but also keep in mind that happened to Israel way back when too in the same location. So by your logic the Jews should be the ones to have that land.
Israel again is so unyielding that it is one of the only countries on the pms et to allow humans it in your eyes took land from back into its country with equal rights and willing to give up land so they could have their own. They have done plenty of good and you just ignore it cause you wanna. Such blindness.
Thatâs not what the quote said. Maybe if you cared to read you would know that. It doesnât say Arabs care more about violence than their own children. Itâs referring to a subset of Arabs that do hate Jews more than love their own children. When those Arabs (who love violence more than their children ) fix themselves peace will be found. Thatâs not racist. Itâs a request for peace and a hope for Arab children. Idk how you twist that into all Arabs wanna shoot Jews. Holy echo chambered
Holy I didnât think someone could get this blind. Okay the quote says peace will come when arabs will love their children more than hate Jews. In other words, Arabs that already love their children more than hate Jews do not qualify. This is basic subsets and sentence structure you learn in 4th grade bro. I think itâs kinda dumb to say that Golda is referencing Arabs who donât do this as well bro. She isnât knocking them cause they are Arab but cause of this principle.
Thatâs not being a white supremacist bro. Nor is it racist. Itâs not even displaying hatred towards a group but a longing for peace. Your quote distinguishes a group. Here is it laid out for you. Peace will come when blacks. All blacks? No. Blacks that love their children more than they hate white people occurs. đ¤Ż.
Itâs really not projecting. There are images of kids carrying guns and all the money given to a Palestine to go to institutions like education just go to war. There are literally weapon barracks in schools. If they wanted a free Palestine they would have taken the 20 times Israel has offered land back. They donât want peace they want destruction.
Explain to me then why them not accepting any peace agreement doesnât completely wreck your argument. Which by the way is agreements that give plenty of valuable land. And not only would they not agree but they donât even come to the table. Their charter says death to all Jews.
Are you totally ignorant of how things work? Try and wrap your little brain around this one: I was raised Jewish and bar mitzvahed Jewish and everything. However, like a lot intelligent people, I donât take the old or New Testament very seriously or literally; Iâm not a practicing Jew; I donât even know what to believe about god herself. Okay, so maybe Iâm agnostic if anything. But that doesnât negate the cultural and familial aspects of Jewishness. And the conversation about whether or notâŚ
Well if you donât believe in the Torah, your not a Jew in my eyes. Judaism and Jewishness is a religion. If you donât practice it youâre not a Jew even if you wanna say you are. And this isnât to say you have to follow every rule or whatever but you even say you donât even believe in a g-d. Sure you had a cultural upbringing of Judaism but if you reject that cultural upbringing which is inherently Judaism, then no your not Jewish in my eyes. Sorry.
Itâs fine if you wanna spout your nonsense (even though you have brought no facts to the table and I have disputed yours and brought my own facts that you just seem to blindly disregard) but this community is about Judaism and we donât wanna deal with anti semetic pricks here like yourself. Nobody asked for you to join this conversation you chose to instigate. And yes supporting Hamas which you do whether you think you do or not is anti semetic.
Wow bro. You are just batting a thousand in totally misconstruing every single thing i say, arenât you? What a fucking genius. I SAID THE QUESTIONNNNNNNN OF WHETHER OR NOT ISRAELLLLLLLLL IS AN INSTIGATOR OF REGIONAL CONFLICT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION, YOU UNBELIEVABLY ILLITERATE LITTLE PUNK BITCH.
How can you just blatantly miss such a simple fucking point of a series of words right in front of your arrogant face?? I wasnât talking about Hamas, you fucking pompous asshoke motherfucker. If you think all this shit is really because a bunch of people are just sooooo into religion that they have to kill each other just bevsuse of religion, youâre operating at like a third grade level. Terrorism is a RESPONSE TO FOREIGN OCCUPATION. Theyâre fighting over real estate. You think if the state of
âŚIsrael was created in Siberia theyâd need an iron dome to protect themselves from missile and mortar attacks?? Iâm guessing the Soviet Union couldâve made some room up there without holding too much of a grudge. Where is Israel instead? The same scrap of land everybodyâs been fighting over for like five thousand fuckin years, man. Thatâs some serious real estate right there, ya think??
Yeah, thanks, dipshit, but Iâm not an anti-Semite. Iâm Jewish. And youâre a jackass. I never said one word in support of Hamas either, you sniveling little weasel. Youâre doing this same black or white bullshit that Trump likes to do too. Everyone who isnât running around sucking bibis dick all over the place is an anti-Semite? Do you have downs syndrome or something? Sorry, Iâll take that remark back because I donât want to insult corky and the boys by comparing Downâs syndrome to your
âŚirrational bullshit. Whine whine whine whine whine, man. âAAaH, everybodyâs against my people! Whyâs is everyone against my people????â Well, if anyone were against your people, I would have to say itâs Probably because of douchebags like you playing the victim card like that for no reason. You sound like schoolyard tattle tale child.
Iâm not misconstruing anything. Religion is important on both sidess I just pointed out one. Didnât ever occur to you that Israel (although not instigating) defends its country becuase other nations attacking donât believe in freedom of religion. Of course religion is behind some of its reasonings and what you would call instigating. And itâs not misconstruing you just canât read. Also holy rage baited đ
Ah yes Iâm the third grader not the one who just said âpompous asshoke motherfuckerâ đ. I donât think any of this is just becuase of religion but it plays a decent part on both sides. Especially the Hamas side more so. And ya know it might be crazy to hear this, but most wars fought in history⌠where over religionâŚđŤĽ. And terrorism is pushing politics through violence and thatâs not okay. Israel has come to the table to negotiate Hamas has not.
You do realize Israel was placed where Israel was because at the time of creation it was intended as a Jewish state becuase it is the Jews HOMELAND. And here is the real nail in your argument. Israel allows al religion and people to live peacefully inside its borders. Nobody should need to shoot missiles at Israel. And yet they do. Not becuase almost a century ago some land was taken, but because they are Jews.
If you really were a Jew you would know proverbs 15:1. But you probably donât. Cause you clearly donât care about Judaism or its values. You just name call your fellow Jew because you disagree and thatâs not the Jewish way. I never said not liking Israel is anti semetic. But calling Israel a genocidal state that has done all these crazy wrong things in comparison so what Hamas and terrorist geoups have done almost in my eyes implies it cause you have no justification and are in a line of support
I never played the victim card. I am literally just defending Israelâs actions all of which have been very defensible from any rational perspective. And no, the reason everyone is against us is because of people like you, who make Jews look bad because you support a ton of illogical political fallacies that one donât align with Judaism and two make us look crazy. Especially in America.
You sound like you have lost your way. I hope the best for you. Iâm not sure your gonna find good maybe g-d will find grace on you. Maybe stop trying to just have the upmost moral opinion of everyone and trying to say your opinion reigns supreme and look at rational reasons why something is happening. Itâs not easy for someone to admit theyâre wrong and I donât think you will get their considering all you have done is compare me to Downsyndorme, but maybe one day someone will open your eyes.
Oh. IM the one who makes Jews look bad? Thanks for the vote of confidence and everything, jabroni, but I thought you said Iâm not even a real Jew in the first place⌠right? Thatâs what you said. So, how it be both ways? All you had to do thousands of pointlessly argumentative words ago in this conversation was admit that ISRAEL, okay, ISRAEL, which is a discrete political entity in itself, a fairly new nation-state in the world political scene, which is NOT EQUIVOCAL TO OR SYNONYMOUS WITH THEâŚ
Ok, all you had to do was admit that SOMETIMES Israel has been the aggressor and the one to initiate violence after periods of relatively peaceful cold coexistence. Thatâs all you wouldâve had to do to avoid a whole epic debate here and you couldnât do it because when you hear Israel you automatically equate that to Jew, like theyâre just interchangeable terms for the same exact thing. AND THEYâRE NOT. But look at you off the rails pissed off and crying foul like a little bitch telling me IâmâŚ
Bitch, please! You put more words in my mouth than your mother puts dicks in her mouth! I did not name call you for disagreeing. I name called you for your rush to judgment while basing your ad hominem attacks on total distortions of my actual statements. I never said I didnât like Israel either, you fucking aggravating degenerate asshole. All I was trying to say was that Israel has sometimes been the first to throw a punch after periods of relative peace. Never did I say Iâm against Israel or..
Yeah you make Jews look bad cause your opinions make us look nuts and you claim to be a Jew when you are anything but apparently. And I donât blame you for not noticing cause there are plenty of comments on here but I do acknowledge Israel has done wrong I can name quite a few examples. But whatâs unique about Israel is their responses after have always been pretty decent. In many cases they have come out saying they regret their decision and have paid money to make it right.
Your anti semetic not cause you hate Israel and I never said your Hitler. The problem with you is your justifying the murder of Jews who have done everything they can to be fair to Palestinians. And half the time you have no evidence backing it have brought nothing to the table except the fact that you claim Jews are the aggressors. You say Iâm a propagandist but donât engage in anything I say and just name call.
Idk why you bring my mother into this. Gross. Your entire original comment about golan heights and mount sinai I gave evidence against and you chose to ignore it. I never said itâs anti semetic to not like Israel plenty of Jews donât. I have a problem with trying to justify what Hamas does in light of some wrong Israel made almost a century ago. And I agree itâs fair to say Israel was wrong for that I literally said that was fair in a m earlier comment.
Yeah but your statements justify the actions of a group that in their charter has called for the death of all Jews. Which by the way is the ideology of a real type of ethnic cleansing if your curious. Even if you donât say you hate Jews, supporting people that do is just as bad. And again you are yet to even dispute what I told you about the golan heights or mount sinai. Probably again cause it doesnât fit your narrative.