Anonymous #1 19h

LOL wait I mean they are gauche.

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Anonymous #1 16h

The people who were here prior to colonialism, in addition to many of the African populations brought over, had no qualms with free speech or religious expression unattached from overarching governments. There are letters Columbus Road to Spanish royalty about how many of the indigenous people of America’s had weapons, and use them very little because their societies were inherently based in empathy and sharing

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Anonymous #1 16h

None of the ideas that came up with were particularly new or innovative. In fact, to some extent, they essentially introduced issues to the Americas, and then gave their own solution through the constitution. I wouldnt credit them for shit I’m not gonna lie.

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Anonymous bitch.sergeant.general 16h

Wrote*

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Anonymous bitch.sergeant.general 16h

Feel free to believe however you want about the Founding Fathers but let’s not be historically inaccurate. The US Constitution was one of, if not the first, national Constitutions in the world. And the model of a democratic republic united by a constitution led to a wave of revolutions around the globe. Prior to the adoption of our Constitution, most states didn’t have a document with enumerated and inalienable rights. And many countries around the world model their government after ours.

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Anonymous #3 15h

Many countries model after us because of imperialism. It’s not being historically inaccurate to acknowledge that the constitution and the men behind it not only did not introduce new concepts to the world, but in doing so, actively challenged systems that already existed in other cultures. Giving complete credit to those freaks for democracy is genuinely an incredibly Eurocentric mindset and it ignores other facets of world history. It’s not about belief, it’s about nuance lol.

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Anonymous #3 15h

If you can’t handle nuance, that’s not my fault. But none of what you said negates my point.

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Anonymous #3 15h

Every response of yours completely ignores the way they evicerated cultures that shared the same, if not in many ways, better humanitarian values. Then you proceed to ignore the largest issue at hand, which is American Imperialism enforcing the same structures globally. All of this is completely researchable and coalligns with your perspective. And that’s my point. I’m not wrong, you’re just quite literally ignoring certain elements of our very real history of democracy.

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Anonymous #3 15h

I’m not going to argue with you after this. Pick up a book. The forefathers weren’t ingenuitive. They were white, had money, and through racial and economic hierarchies were able to influence the world in ways many cultures couldn’t because they were wiped out or complet dismantled due to colonialism.

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Anonymous bitch.sergeant.general 11h

You’re the one who can’t handle nuance. I said the founding fathers created one of the first constitutions in the world. And that’s a fact. Now national constitutions are commonplace. The founding fathers took different elements from other cultures and created a new form of government. Again, that’s nuance. ‘Many countries model after us because of imperialism’. Yes, this is true. But you’re being purposefully dense when you know that Haiti was inspired by the US to uprise AGAINST imperialism.

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Anonymous #3 11h

I also feel the need to point out that one of the most influential founding fathers was Alexander Hamilton, a Caribbean immigrant. Multiple founding fathers also fought tooth and nail to abolish slavery in the constitution but the states wouldn’t ratify it unless they could keep their slaves. The idea that we could have a government with power vested into separate branches of government WAS a novel concept. Again, it’s not my fault you don’t know your history.

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Anonymous #3 11h

The founding fathers were also mostly racist white men who owned slaves and were terrible people. Two things can be true at once. Again, that’s your inability to understand nuance. Somebody can be a bad person and still invent things.

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