Anonymous #2 15w

you have to choose the lesser evil.

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Anonymous #2 15w

read what i'm saying again. babe the election is in the rearview... and yet here we are still stanning a genocider who lost to another genocider...

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Anonymous #2 15w

also "was not perfect" is a pretty nice way of saying war criminal who wanted to fund the slaughter of innocent civilians...

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Anonymous #3 15w

i hate the current president. i fucking shit on him every time possible. i will not stand for people supporting genocidal maniacs regardless

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Anonymous #3 15w

you don't see many folks in this community stanning him though...

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Anonymous #3 15w

No one was posting positively about Trump?? If they did I promise we would tear them a new one.

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Anonymous #4 15w

literally. but we gotta make everything about orange man who we all already hate...

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Anonymous #2 15w

Its also a bad argument because the anti-Trump opposition chose Biden/Harris. Like no one made them. If people decided genocide was a red line, Biden/Harris would have been untenable candidates from the beginning. Unfortunately, the US public allowed this to happen.

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Anonymous #4 15w

not really the public's fault either tbh. the dnc would have ran a pro israel pro status quo candidate regardless.

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Anonymous ellie 15w

If the majority of people, or just majority of anti-Trumpers, decided that genocide was a red line, then they would have coalesced around another candidate.

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Anonymous ellie 15w

As in, if all opposition voters decided the genocide was intolerable, a different major candidate would have emerged. The DNC cant literally force people to vote for democrats. People enable the DNC by unconditionally supporting it.

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Anonymous #4 15w

i don't necessarily agree just considering the US's historic ties to israel. i think they did it anyway knowing it was unpopular and it cost them the leftists vote.

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Anonymous #4 15w

i mean true, but the candidates who progress are ultimately the most well funded. the system is literally designed to prevent more progressive candidates from moving up because they're stances are less popular with corporations

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Anonymous ellie 15w

their*

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Anonymous ellie 15w

I like you Ellie but respectfully, what part do you disagree with? I can agree that the scenario I’m advancing doesn’t *feel* realistic, but unfortunately its true. The public did unfortunately enable this. The democrats and republicans didnt take power in a coup.

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Anonymous #4 15w

no yeah i agree. but i do think a ton of anti trumpers lines were drawn at genocide—at least from what i've seen (which is a pretty progressive crowd). i may be off the mark here however as i'm not working with a huge sample size

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Anonymous #4 15w

i was under the impression that that's what cost her the progressive vote and election

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Anonymous #4 15w

once again i may be off the mark

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Anonymous ellie 15w

Fair. I suppose not enough, because Harris was the candidate. There were still a lot of people who were gung-ho about her. if the anti-Trump opposition collective decided genocide was a red line, either the democrats would have to nominate a non genocidal candidate or a new major candidate would emerge.

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Anonymous #4 15w

once again i think that comes down to primarily how the system works rather than the public. i think where my perspective differs is that i view this as another case of institutions protecting capitalism. she was the candidate given the most screen time, the most funding for her campaign, etc. people who aren't necessarily knowledgeable about the system and are purposely mislead by the government fell into a pitfall. i don't necessarily think it was the publics fault for that—if that makes sense

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Anonymous bowlinggreen_tornado 15w

not really. this is just basic intersectionality

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Anonymous ellie 15w

It’s ultimatums and it’s cringe.

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Anonymous ellie 15w

I totally understand what you are saying and I think it holds a lot of truth. Its purely subjective, I suppose. Americans are taught since a young age that non-western lives don’t matter. And we do benefit from the exploitation of the Global South. Its like the fire nation in ATLA. How much are regular nation people responsible? A philosophical question.

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Anonymous bowlinggreen_tornado 15w

yeah we shouldn't support those perpetuating genocide hard stop. if u disagree u might need to do some soul searching

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Anonymous #4 15w

exactly! i view the people in charge as to blame because they're the ones peddling this while others look to them as examples. when they cut things like education or push propaganda in schools people aren't taught to view things from a different angle so they never will.

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Anonymous ellie 15w

also putting words in peoples mouth. Cringe. Never said i disagreed. Genocide is bad. Dem or republican we’ve been blowing up brown people for a decade.

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Anonymous bowlinggreen_tornado 15w

more than a decade

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Anonymous bowlinggreen_tornado 15w

but yeah. i believe if u don't stand for queer rights everywhere then u don't stand for queer rights. it's a global issue. i said what i said

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Anonymous ellie 15w

Do the semantics matter? Any amount of time was never ok bro. Most people are against the genocide. I wish I could say all but people are weird like that. But to say if you support a certain candidate you’re fake is wild.

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Anonymous ellie 15w

Oh the people in charge are 100% the most to blame. My original point is yes, its subjective, BUT there is definitely some degree of complicity on the public’s part. Its not like Pinochet’s Chile or Saudi Arabia. The people in charge were literally elected by people voting for them. The military doesnt need to force them into power.

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Anonymous #4 15w

okay yeah i see ur point

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Anonymous bowlinggreen_tornado 15w

yeah if u still stan a genocider like kamala long after the election is over and done with—knowing her stance on palestine and the genocide, then ur fake.

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Anonymous bowlinggreen_tornado 15w

u can still think she's the better candidate out of the two. you can still think america would've been better under her... but if ur out here looking past her genocide support to shout from the rooftops about how great she would've been then i have an issue with u.

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