Anonymous #1 15w

yes exactly

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Anonymous OP 14w

You’re really trying to take credit away from the queer community. Smh.

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Anonymous #3 14w

As #1 pointed out, those terms originated from Black queer people in predominantly Black queer scenes (mainly the ballroom scene) I get your point though, it is exciting that the slang we use/amplify is influencing the mainstream :)

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Anonymous OP 14w

I just feel like it’s a slap in the face to say “It’s not queer slang, it’s Black slang”, when it’s actually both and it’s not mutually exclusive. Instead of praising queer culture, we’ve changed the subject to me supposedly not giving Black people any credit, and insinuating I’m racist or ignorant.

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Anonymous #3 14w

I agree that it’s not mutually exclusive. I’m just acknowledging that it’s not queer people generally who originate the slang you’re talking about, it’s Black queer people and queer POC. It’s important to explicitly/specifically acknowledge that due to how much culture theft/appropriation goes on. I’m not attacking you or insinuating anything about you personally; I don’t know you.

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Anonymous OP 14w

No. You’re othering Black queer people. You’re basically saying we can only call it “queer slang” if it comes from White people. But if it comes from Black people? We have to call it “Black queer slang”. Queer slang is queer slang, regardless of race.

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Anonymous #3 14w

Where did I say we have to call it “Black queer slang”? It is queer slang; I’m just acknowledging its origins.

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Anonymous OP 14w

Not really. You flat out denied it was queer in origin, then backtracked when someone else pointed out it came from Black queer people.

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Anonymous #3 14w

Yes, #1 made explicit the point I was trying to make, which I appreciate. Unlike you, I didn’t take that elaboration as an attack.

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Anonymous #3 14w

You’re really trying to take credit away from the black community. What would white gays be without us?

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Anonymous #1 14w

Well they’re still black before they’re queer! Does it hurt to admit that oh my god…

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Anonymous #3 14w

Y’all are othering black people. If y’all gave credit to black whoever whatever we wouldn’t be having this conversation. If y’all stopped trying to reduce every part of queer culture down to “queer people did this!” We wouldn’t be here right now…

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Anonymous #4 14w

No, they’re not. That’s literally not how intersectionality works 😭

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Anonymous #4 14w

I mean it's an important distinction to make when black queer folks struggle to find acceptance and love in their own communities and families. The whole reason black queer subculture and chosen families even existed is because black queer people were put out onto the streets by their homophobic and transphobic families and communities. This is about more than just giving credit where it's due, it's about recognizing the struggle unique to black queer folks, and the culture that it birthed.

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Anonymous #1 14w

They literally are. I fear you might not want it to be, but when you’re black that is your first identity which is why it’s always first. Afro Latina, black queer, black woman. People will always see your blackness before anything else. Hope this helped!

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Anonymous #4 14w

Black queer people are both black and queer at the same time and they have unique experiences shaped by that experience. Open the schools 😭

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Anonymous #1 14w

I know what intersectionality is, love. I’m a black woman, that’s intersectionality. But why are you trying to argue with me about this when you’re literally proving my point? They’re trying to erase the blackness by saying “b-b-but they’re queer too!!” Like no shit they’re black before they’re anything. Ask any BLACK queer person this….

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Anonymous #4 14w

It’s not “but they’re queer too!” nor is it erasing their blackness. The simple truth is that black queer people are not treated or perceived the same as black cishet people by society. It is at the intersection of BOTH of these identities they hold simultaneously that their unique oppression lies. They do not experience blackness the same, as they do not experience queerness the same as white queer folks. You are not one before the other when it comes to oppression and marginalization.

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Anonymous #4 14w

Giving credit to the black community broadly for contributions made by queer black people is no different than giving credit to white queer people for their achievements as well.

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Anonymous #1 14w

You literally emphasized the queer in your original comment so wdym it’s not “but they’re queer too.” And black queer people still deal with the racism and lack of credit that straight black people do….i really don’t understand why you’re trying to argue with me, a black person, about this when I’m telling you you’re trying to diminish the black involvement by reducing it to queer culture….

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Anonymous #1 14w

Do you think black queer people don’t identify as black? Why would that even be a problem?

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Anonymous #4 14w

You’re being purposefully dense and not acknowledging my actual point so respectfully I’m going to end this conversation here.

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Anonymous #4 14w

Shut up. My post was about sexual orientation, not race. Nothing wrong with giving credit to Black people; nothing wrong with giving credit to queer people either. These are not mutually exclusive communities. I identify with both communities, but my race isn’t always relevant to the discussion at hand, and vice versa. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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