LGBTQIA+ on Yik Yak | As a trans man Trans men are NOT lesbians, and saying so is hurtful to both communities. “Look at the history” they were called lesbians because they were not accepted as MEN. Saying trans men are lesbians just tells me you don’t see us as men.

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As a trans man Trans men are NOT lesbians, and saying so is hurtful to both communities. “Look at the history” they were called lesbians because they were not accepted as MEN. Saying trans men are lesbians just tells me you don’t see us as men.

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Anonymous 11w

dear god not this again. and can be ≠ are

Anonymous 11w

Can we stop having this discourse and focus on something that will actually have a positive impact on our community

Anonymous 11w

who cares how people identify? I get how it could be invalidating for your partner to call themselves a lesbian if you’re a man, but if it’s not your relationship, why judge what people relate with

Anonymous 11w

honestly, the whole discourse did feel transphobic, so i agree. like those people arguing with this will say “trans men are men” and then turn around on their word. no commitment to an ideology, it’s embarrassing as a queer person

Anonymous 11w

ur right, trans men are not INHERENTLY lesbians, but that does not mean a trans man cannot identify with the label. if you don’t align with it congrats, ur not a lesbian, move on. touch grass even. stop policing others identities. it does not effect you in any way.

Anonymous 11w

if someone else’s personal identity is making you feel “invalidated” or “hurt” you got some soul searching to do my dude

Anonymous 11w

“i am the one and sole arbiter of how people identify, kiss my gender police boots now”

Anonymous 11w

I am a trans man. I am not a lesbian. BUT I know a trans man who identifies as one because he’s identified as that for over a decade before realizing he’s trans. Nuance exists, this is not a black and white conversation

Anonymous 11w

It may not be a label that works for you and that’s fine. But for the guys who are lesbians, leave them fucking be. They’re still men.

Anonymous 11w

Friend, if a trans man tells me he/they identify as a lesbian, then they’re a lesbian. You know why? Because it’s not my fucking business why someone else identifies a particular way. I understand that OP is a trans man, but that doesn’t make them the spokesperson for all trans men. As with ALL THINGS in our community, you call a person whatever it is they WANT to be called, regardless of your personal agenda.

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Anonymous 11w

Fed post

Anonymous 11w

they’re not gonna listen to you here. they see us as women

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Anonymous 11w

Someone can carry those labels of lesbian if they wish especially since it comes down to how the sex is even done in the first place

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Anonymous

#2 11w

Who is “they” cause as a cis woman, I see trans men as MEN and trans women as WOMEN 😭 we not all out to get you I promise

Anonymous

#6 11w

So it’s transphobic to say that policing other people’s identity is weird and we should leave them alone and stop posting targeted harassment constantly 🫩

Anonymous

#7 11w

saying that a trans man can be a lesbian is invalidating that person’s identity. that does more harm than good. that whole idea was meant to be backlash and say that trans people aren’t actually trans (which is transphobic). if a trans masc feels more akin to lesbianism, that’s fine, but feeling more aligned with becoming a man and claiming to be a lesbian isn’t the proper use of either label. this debate would be much different if a trans woman was trying to use the gay label and ocean flag.

Anonymous

#6 11w

no it wouldn’t. there are plenty of trans women who do still identify as gay

Anonymous

#1 11w

so labels are worthless and we can just do whatever we want? that is literally the entire stereotype behind our community. homophobes and transphobes love to toss around the idea that we have no morals and guidelines. i’m not saying we should hold people accountable if they feel confused, but there has to be some kind of order and understanding

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Anonymous

#6 11w

how does respecting someone’s own identity invalidate that person??

Anonymous

#8 11w

because it’s saying that a trans man isn’t really a man. our community goes wild when a man says he’s a lesbian because he likes women, but when a trans man says it, he’s treated like the very thing he doesn’t want to identify as, a woman. that’s transphobic.

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Anonymous

#6 11w

i’m begging you to read some sort of queer theory and understand that many trans people don’t identify with their gender the way cis people do

Anonymous

#6 11w

Someone can't invalidate their own identity. We know ourselves better than chronically online teenagers. I've been trans and lesbian in gay spaces for over 10 years and it's funny seeing y'all suddenly demand we relabel ourselves and isolate ourselves from our communities for your comfort. There's bigger fish to fry, little buddy.

Anonymous

#11 11w

No, our labels are not determined by how intercourse is performed.

Anonymous

#13 11w

so can cis men be lesbians?

Anonymous

#6 11w

are these cis men identifying as lesbians in the room with us

Anonymous

#6 11w

Show me a single cis man who in good faith identifies with lesbianism and then we’ll talk

Anonymous

#6 11w

Keep up with the comments, bub.

Anonymous

#13 11w

since anyone can apparently identify with anything regardless of contradiction, that logic can claim that a cis man can be lesbians, which is false. i’m done arguing with chronically online people who don’t know anything about the community and force themselves into boxes that don’t fit. so keep going, but i’m not arguing with an ignorant people pleaser

Anonymous

#6 11w

dude youre the one who sounds chronically online if you’ve never seen, heard of, or acknowledged the history of trans men lesbians

Anonymous

#8 11w

i’ve literally talked to a trans person about this argument and they agreed with me but okay bud

Anonymous

#14 11w

there is a difference between trans man and trans masc. you can identify as masculine and be lesbian, great. Lesbianism is literally NONMEN dating NONMEN and if you are a TRANS MAN, you identify as a man. I’m not gonna police peoples relationships but that doesn’t mean we aren’t allowed to still feel invalidated

Anonymous

#6 11w

idk what trans people you’re hanging around cos me and all my trans homies don’t give a shit or love trans men lesbians

Anonymous

#6 11w

hey #6 are you trans?

Anonymous

#1 11w

i’m a cis lesbian.

Anonymous

#6 11w

Of course you are

Anonymous

#7 11w

yall rlly do sound stupid. Trans MEN are MEN and cannot be lesbians (non men loving non men) you can identify as trans MASC (which is an ENTIRELY different thing) but just because you’re a part of the LGBTQ+ community doesn’t mean you get to invalidate another community within it

Anonymous

#6 11w

Then you should understand why someone would decide to identify as lesbian. Maybe it brings them comfort or it’s just easier for them to express as such? Theres no reason to deny someone’s identity from them.

Anonymous

#15 11w

Why are we YELLING

Anonymous

#15 11w

Also non men has racist origins so maybe that shouldn’t be the definition

Anonymous

#6 11w

then listen to not one trans person. im speaking based on my experience as a trans person and interacting with many other trans people

Anonymous

#6 11w

Cool, don’t try to tokenise trans people. Again, when did any of us say cis men? None of us have, only you have. If you actually read other comments with the amount of time you live on Yak, you’d actually see my clarification on lesbian being non *cis* men loving non *cis* men. And since you’re not trans, don’t pretend you speak for or over us and where our identities are.

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Anonymous

#15 11w

The only ones who cannot take the mantle of lesbian are *cis* men. Trans men absolutely can if that is what fits them best.

Anonymous

#15 11w

hey #15 are you trans?

Anonymous

#1 11w

I am actually, trans masc.

Anonymous

#15 11w

Then you should know better.

Anonymous

#13 11w

know better than the LITERAL definitions of trans man vs trans masc??

Anonymous

#15 11w

If im following the conversation right #15 with your logic then someone non binary cannot be gay or lesbian because theyre not a man or a woman. Yet we very willingly allow this to happen. Why cant a trans-masc not have their OWN identity be linked with being lesbian?

Anonymous

#15 11w

then you should know how gender and sexuality and lived experiences differ from person to person and the only one who can truly describe a person is that person

Anonymous

#1 11w

gender and sexuality differ from person to person so how about you just explain instead of claiming a title that isn’t meant for you?

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Anonymous

#13 11w

congratulations, you don’t know anything about how labels work. you can’t just pick apart an actual meaningful term to make it serve you. i used cis men as an example based on the idea of men being considered lesbians. i had a time where i was very akin to being a trans man myself, so i do understand both sides. i suggest you actually use your brain instead of thinking you know everything.

Anonymous

#15 11w

i just did explain it and i didn’t claim shit. have you been to irl queer spaces much? people really don’t give that much of a shit they would rather just kiss

Anonymous

#15 11w

Clearly you don’t actually know any Queer people offline 😂

Anonymous

#11 11w

nonbinary people can be gay or lesbian because the definition of lesbian is “non-men loving non-men” is “someone attracted to one’s own sex”. if you identify as a trans MAN, you identify as a man. Men are not lesbians, simple as tjat

Anonymous

#6 11w

Awe, look at you, further pretending you understand anything outside of your own narrow lens. Spend less time online and more time with actual Queer people in offline spaces and see how far your little “b-but, but that’s not the rigid little box I love!” gets you.

Anonymous

#13 11w

my entire friend group is queer and i’m part of several queer school groups.

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Anonymous

#15 11w

dawg are you going to go up to a trans man who identifies as a lesbian and tell them that they’re wrong for how they identify?

Anonymous

#15 11w

Whered you get that definition from

Anonymous

#15 11w

let me guess, highschool?

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Anonymous

#1 11w

No, i don’t care enough to confront someone about it?? It is a silly concept tho, you have fun living it

Anonymous

#15 11w

Clearly you’re actually not 😂 There are men who are lesbians, get over it.

Anonymous

#15 11w

you seem like you certainly care enough to argue pointlessly about it

Anonymous

#1 11w

honestly i’m bored waiting for my car to get fixed lmfao

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Anonymous

#11 11w

the definition I found

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Anonymous

#15 11w

is that the fucking fandom wiki….

Anonymous

#1 11w

god forbid right

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Anonymous

#6 11w

You’re so right because the queer community has always stood for strict labels and standards if you’re outside of those labels then you can gtfo 💪

Anonymous

#15 11w

It’s really simple: you don’t determine who other people are when you don’t know their lives and experiences. Some Queer men being lesbians does not affect you, at all, in any way. There’s this beautiful thing outside, off your device, called “grass”. You should go touch it.

Anonymous

#16 11w

i just think atp make up a new word.

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Anonymous

#13 11w

touching grass rn and still think it’s strange for people who identify as men to encroach into a community for women and feminine-leaning people

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Anonymous

#15 11w

A new word for trans men who are lesbians? Sure! That new word could be: lesbian.

Anonymous

#15 11w

I love how you just prove how little you actually engage in Queer spaces. This is hilarious. 😂

Anonymous

#15 11w

go talk to some trans man lesbians. talk to them. maybe you can learn instead of being judgmental and closed minded

Anonymous

#13 11w

can you please define trans man and then define lesbianism

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Anonymous

#15 11w

A fandom wiki is not a credible source

Anonymous

#15 11w

Sure! Trans man— individual who aligns more with a masculine identity, often closer to a binary cis man in their respective culture’s understanding and application of gender, who was assigned differently at birth. Lesbian— any non cis man attracted to other non cis men who feels the label fits and has lived experiences and comfort with the term.

Anonymous

#13 11w

I just think if everyone’s arguing so much about these “boxes” stop putting yourself in them. Just exist without a label

Anonymous

#15 11w

Youre the one actively arguing trans men cannot be lesbians bro youre pro “boxes”

Anonymous

#13 11w

idk why i’m getting downvoted like i was being sarcastic that was an actual question 😭 also, where did trans masc go? I thought there was a difference between trans MAN (man) or trans masc (just masculine)

Anonymous

#15 11w

How’s it feel knowing you’re still chained down by cishetpectations?

Anonymous

#15 11w

You do know labels are not completely rigid, right? They can be quite fluid and encompass a lot and are just as diverse as people are.

Anonymous

#13 11w

I do know they’re not rigid but i figured if you identify as a transgender man that means you’re a man

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Anonymous

#15 11w

Correct. And some are lesbians.

Anonymous

#13 11w

queer men identifying as a lesbian does hurt both communities tho. i’m a lesbian and i don’t like men. can i like a nonbinary or genderqueer person? yeah. can i like a masc woman? yeah. can i like a man? no. it doesn’t matter if the man is cis or not. it’s literally that simple. i’m not attracted to men, period. two sides to this equation

Anonymous

#6 11w

go to some trans men lesbians irl and explain to them how they’re hurting their own communities

Anonymous

#1 11w

lesbians irl disagree

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Anonymous

#15 11w

disagree with other people’s identitys? yeah, theres also lesbians that disagree with my identity as a trans woman and say me being sapphic hurts the queer community. and im not listening to them because i have a better grasp of my life and my identity than they ever will

Anonymous

#1 11w

they are literally going against their identity as a trans man. lesbians can’t like men, so i don’t understand why people can let this slide because of “comfort.” if that’s the case, then anyone can claim to be anything, i could tell you guys that im a trans woman or something else that isn’t true. i’m not saying to shove people in boxes, but the boxes should exist to help people.

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Anonymous

#6 11w

go tell trans men lesbian irl that they’re identifying themselves wrong. please cis person, go ahead and keep telling trans people how they cant and cant identify and how you know more about them and their gender than they do

Anonymous

#6 11w

Cool, there are still trans men who are lesbians and you don’t override that just because you’re narrow and don’t give two fucks about other queer people.

Anonymous

#6 11w

The only one going against their identities is you and yours who think you know better. Touch grass, seriously.

Anonymous

#6 11w

i actually will never understand why you can’t just pick apart and apply any label that you feel fits you best. that’s literally the whole point of most queer identities. no one is the same and we choose our labels that best fits us

Anonymous

#8 11w

That’s why so many of us have reclaimed and use “Queer” for it. It’s the most encompassing, most clear, and most accessible label for most. I love it.

Anonymous

#13 11w

you keep telling other lesbians and transmascs that we’re invalidating others while you’re ACTIVELY doing it to us?? That’s the main thing i don’t get

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Anonymous

#15 11w

buddy i really think you need to do some internal work if other trans men identifying as lesbians bothers you this much

Anonymous

#8 11w

it’s just a contradictory identity. if you’re a trans man lesbian you’re just queer. I’ve discussed this with multiple real life trans mascs, trans men, and lesbians and not one of them agrees with you.

Anonymous

#15 11w

Even if it’s contradictory it doesn’t affect you, why are you so obsessed with it? Can’t you just ignore things you don’t understand or like

Anonymous

#15 11w

real life is complacated and just because something is contradictory to you doesn’t make its less valid. and its so funny you mention talking about this with people irl and guess what so have I, and they do actually agree with 8. not to mention i was able to learn even more when i spoke with trans men lesbians.

Anonymous

#15 11w

again i have no idea who tf y’all are talking to that feel like this. maybe i just hang with a cooler crowd

Anonymous

#8 11w

i tend to hang with the people who have accepted queerness as a complicated fluid thing that cant really ever be properly defined and put in stone

Anonymous

#15 11w

Seriously, touch it.

Anonymous

#1 11w

These are the healthiest people to keep around fr

Anonymous

#13 11w

the most chronically online thing is to think everyone in the world is going to agree with you just because you’re a little sassy online

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Anonymous

#15 11w

This is all I can say to you atp

Anonymous

#15 11w

Just because you’re wrong doesn’t mean you’re right, hun.

Anonymous

#15 11w

damn someone can’t take the heat when the same joke they used is being used against them

Anonymous

#18 11w

but labels can change. just because someone has always been one thing doesn’t mean they can’t be anything else.

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Anonymous

#6 11w

sure. but thats what they are according to them. what matters is not what they can be but what they are.

Anonymous

#6 11w

Ok but it’s not your identity so who cares?

Anonymous

#18 11w

i’m a lesbian and it affects my community, so it does matter to me.

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Anonymous

#13 11w

sure but it’s not my thing tbh and not the right label for many other people. labels come with community and sometimes some of us want to be attached to that community.

Anonymous

#6 11w

how exactly are trans men lesbians hurting the lesbian community other than not conforming to traditional cis expectations?

Anonymous

#6 11w

You really think that it’s somehow detrimental to the community for some trans men to self identify as lesbians? Please explain to me what harm is being done by simply allowing people to be called whatever it is they want to be called

Anonymous

#8 11w

Right?! Sure sounds like plain old transphobia to me.

Anonymous

#8 11w

Exactly! It’s not universal but it is there for many of us, just like with any other. Same with trans men who are lesbians. It’s not for us to dictate how others feel best when they know themselves best.

Anonymous

#2 11w

omg nobody would be saying "trans men can be lesbians" if there weren't some trans men out there who want to identify as lesbians.