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I know that trans men are men because it’s literally a stereotype that they’re toxic as fuck to trans women and yet they constantly complain that trans women don’t like them

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Anonymous 4w

It doesn’t help that this comment section is filled with people telling trans women their problems are not real and gaslighting us the same way cis men do when cis women call out misogyny It’s the equivalent of that one guy going “but it’s not all men :(“ while belittling the experiences of women and not taking them seriously

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Anonymous 4w

Truth nuke

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Anonymous 4w

Lowkey yeah, I see this pattern in other community dynamics too but that’s for a different conversation

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Anonymous 4w

lol this is a predominantly online only phenomenon but it’s crazy to act like it doesn’t happen. as a feminist lesbian trans man (fun combo, don’t recommend), who spends a lot of time in trans+lesbian spaces online (and queer spaces irl), this antagonistic dynamic is not insignificant and does result in trans women being dogpiled and ostracized. it’s also not “gender essentialism” to acknowledge gendered dynamics, we’re not in a post-gender world. there are differences in treatment/outcomes.

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Anonymous 4w

OP how much time do you spend in irl queer spaces?

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Anonymous 4w

post

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Anonymous 4w

there are plenty of trans men who dont have a good understanding of masculinity and when they transition, they pick up really toxically masculine traits and overcompensate by being misogynistic. on the other hand, there are plenty of trans men who developed an amazingly healthy sense of masculinity and use their privilege as men to protect women. i think the types of broad statements we’re seeing about trans men are really harmful & it isn’t the same broad statements about cis men at all

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Anonymous 4w

Omg help they’re proving me right in the quote post lmao

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Anonymous 4w

do you have actual examples of trans men being "toxic" or is it just a stereotype? might be worth thinking about whether this is a real issue you've seen or just something you're assuming happens.

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Anonymous 4w

Who the fuck are these trans men who are always doing this. its very much not the majority of them

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Anonymous

#2 4w

I and many other trans women have lived experience with it lol shut up

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Anonymous

OP 4w

I lived with a trans men and he was incredibly toxic and misogynistic

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Anonymous

#1 4w

okay, and i'm sorry you had that experience with an individual man. but again, do you have examples of this being a widespread issue? because i've had multiple trans women say absolutely horrible, vitriolic, unforgivably awful things to me because i'm a trans man and i would never even consider saying that all trans women are evil the way yall (yall as in the ppl in this conversation, not yall as in trans women in general) are about trans men.

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Anonymous

#2 4w

What part of “many other” do you not fucking understand?

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Anonymous

#2 4w

I didn’t say anything about “all” trans men. If it doesn’t apply to you then it doesn’t apply to you. Move on.

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Anonymous

OP 4w

you're not answering my question? i don't mean individual trans men, i mean do you have experience with trans men *in general*, the majority of trans men, being assholes to you because you're a trans woman. pretty rude to just tell me to shut up btw this is a public post i don't know why you expected people not to respond to it

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Anonymous

OP 4w

you are very clearly generalizing all trans men as a group. i'm not saying that i'm a special different trans man who happens to not hate trans women, i'm saying that the vast, vast majority of trans men don't hate trans women and saying that we do is a) incorrect and b) harmful to all trans people.

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Anonymous

#2 4w

Trans men are the men of trans people truly. Always talking down on women who have faced harassment misogyny and abuse from men. Being trans doesn’t make them any better then cismen

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Anonymous

#1 4w

THANK YOU for being the only actual feminist in this fucking community holy shit

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Anonymous

#3 4w

The irl queer spaces I’ve found have been largely trans misogynistic and not as welcoming of trans women

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Anonymous

OP 4w

gender essentialism is inherently antifeminist and holds women and trans people back from reaching gender equality actually 👍

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Anonymous

#2 4w

It’s not gender essentialism to be aware the trans community is not exempt from having problems of patriarchy

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Anonymous

#1 4w

the irl queer spaces i've found have often been, from my point of view, supportive of trans women and extremely non-welcoming towards trans men. i think we all instinctively see the forms of oppression we're already primed to pick up on and tune out others.

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Anonymous

#1 4w

it is in fact gender essentialism to stereotype an entire gender group as having specific views and moral failings. like that is kind of the definition of gender essentialism

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Anonymous

#2 4w

The queer spaces on my campus are all ran by trans men and othering towards trans women. The local gay club is filled with sex pests. The only solace is the music scene over here

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Anonymous

#1 4w

This is literally what I said on another post!! Fucking identical to redpill shit, but it’s fine because trans guys are incapable of doing harm right? Only cis guy can be evil right?

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Anonymous

#1 4w

i'm sorry, that sounds awful. my campus has pretty much no official queer spaces (very tired gsa with about 5 members i've been trying to revive for a year now and i think that's literally it), but other queer spaces in my town and sort of unofficial queer gatherings on my campus tend to be organized by trans women and not very kindly predisposed towards trans men.

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Anonymous

#5 4w

wish more people could just see something, think “does this apply to me?” and if not move on. double for “is this someone from a marginalized community venting about their experience and should i argue with them about it?”

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Anonymous

#5 4w

ok so people want to upvote me saying that this pretty much only happens under circumstances, but want to downvote me saying that not everything needs a response or is about you. got it. sksjsksk, grow up guys.

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Anonymous

#6 4w

the reason is because statistically speaking, trans men are not the ones threatening women’s physical safety. the reason broad statements about cis men are made is because you never know which one(s) intend to harm you. infighting in communities is okay and normal lol, i just think it needs to be done with tact and thoughtfulness because you never know who is listening and taking these statements to fuel their bigotry. definitely talk about your lived experiences!! maybe avoid broad statements

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