Anonymous #1 2w

When an issue is generally highly inconsequential…yes

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Anonymous OP 2w

we don’t really label countries as “first world” / “third world” etc anymore though, at this point that’s been broadly recognized as an incoherent system of categorization that leans too heavily on colonizer logic

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Anonymous OP 2w

like, even NPR brought this up over a decade ago https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/01/04/372684438/if-you-shouldnt-call-it-the-third-world-what-should-you-call-it

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Anonymous #1 2w

Ok, but I’m not trying to say this is an issue limited to “first world” countries as they have been historically defined. “First world problem” literally just refers to any issue that pales in comparison to larger global issues like poverty, war, world hunger, etc. Your sock slipping in your shoe, your coffee order being wrong, your hair being an inconvenient length, all first world problems.

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Anonymous OP 2w

but where exactly do you think the wording of “first world problem” would come from if not the sloppy categorization of countries based on stereotyped notions of economic prosperity? the issues with the concepts of “‘first world’ vs ‘third world’” are baked directly into the phrase “first world problems”—there’s not really any way to use it without reinforcing the application of outdated & negatively racialized language

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Anonymous OP 2w

I’m not just pulling this out of my ass or nitpicking as a power play. here’s another article, also from over a decade ago, on why it sucks to use the term “first world problems” rather than just the “first world” / “third world” dichotomy https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/oct/02/why-phrase-first-world-problem-is-condescending-to-everyone

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Anonymous #1 2w

If I had to phrase this post differently, how would you say it?

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Anonymous OP 2w

something like “inconsequential queer problems” or “a comparatively trivial inconvenience that still has my queer ass seething”

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Anonymous #1 2w

I'm literally originally from a third world country and it's not that deep 😭 making a first world problems joke is NOT the same as still using the term "third world" seriously (for example in a research journal or newspaper article).

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Anonymous #2 2w

I know language can be important, but this seems to be prioritizing being "right" over actually engaging with global power dynamics in the settings/ways they truly matter. Your argument is more about looking/sounding right than anything else.

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Anonymous #1 2w

University classes still teach what first world, second world and third world is… literally stop spreading misinformation

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Anonymous #2 2w

I mean, you’re free to come to your own conclusions re: this subject and re: my intent behind making this point. that being said, if you understand the issue with the “first world / third world” categorization and you claim to recognize the importance of language choices, then I really can’t imagine how exactly you would back up the argument that those principles should suddenly be discarded in favor of using a phrase that is an obvious extension of that categorization

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Anonymous #2 2w

and your assertion that I’m “prioritizing being ‘right’” is totally baseless—the whole reason I provided links to in-depth published criticisms of these terms is bc it’s a significant enough issue that I didn’t think a brief summary of my own personal gripes was sufficient. looks to me like a whole lot of bad faith on your end, especially given your usage of the “not that deep” thought-terminating cliche, so I guess we’ll just have to mutually agree on not having respect for the other’s approach

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Anonymous #3 2w

you do understand that there’s a difference between teaching the recent-history usage of a term for context purposes vs actually teaching those terms as productive, up-to-date functional vocabulary, yeah? while we’re at it, are you really operating under the delusion that for a professor at any given university to include something in their curriculum means that thing is automatically an objective truth…?

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Anonymous #3 2w

do yourself a favor and take a few minutes to read the links I posted. if you’re gonna attempt to dismiss both of those as “misinformation”, you have to at least try to engage with the points they raise

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Anonymous #1 2w

do me a favor and get off your phone for a few minutes. rlly sounds like you could use some time in the grass

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Anonymous #3 2w

damn, this is such a thoughtful retort, thanks for the critical perspective! it really does a lot to build a case for your opinion when your engagement in a conversation consists exclusively of “no you’re wrong. source: I said so” and resorting to petty personal insults

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Anonymous #1 2w

Today I saw a bird

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Anonymous OP 2w

glad to see you’re taking this every bit as seriously as #3! truly fills me with pride the way our community endeavors to treat intersectional geopolitical issues with the respect they deserve

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Anonymous OP 2w

this thread has been full of prime examples of why I choose to participate in meaningful conversations with the rest of the LGBTQIA+ community, here on this app full of bright young folks who are consciously choosing to further their education :)

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Anonymous #1 2w

That’s because you’re doing all this on a post about mullets. I get it, you took issue with the way I phrased it, I understand why you’ve taken issue with it.

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Anonymous OP 2w

? the only reason I had anything more to say after answering your question about how I would have phrased it is because #3 and #2 felt the need to flatly dismiss what I was saying without so much as engaging with any of the points I raised. they argued, so I argued back

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Anonymous OP 2w

I’m glad you understand where I’m coming from. that being the case, idk what was up with the flippant “I saw a bird you guys” addition

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Anonymous #1 2w

its literally yikyak get a life genuinely

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Anonymous #1 2w

No one is taking you seriously bc u are having a illogical reaction to the OP’s post

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Anonymous #3 2w

homie we are both choosing to spend time on this app interacting with other people. the difference is that I’m trying to use it to hold thoughtful and honest conversations, while you’re using it to sling insults at a stranger for trying to hold those convos. if you think the latter is more worthwhile and less indicative of needing to touch grass, idk what to tell you

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Anonymous #3 2w

like do you think yikyak exists in a vacuum and that you’re not talking to people who also exist in real life? is everyone on here just NPCs to you based solely on the platform?

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Anonymous #3 2w

well no, the OP already acknowledged my point, not taking me seriously is your own choice. as was feeling the need to chime in just to argue with me in the first place when you don’t actually care enough to have a two-way discussion about it

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Anonymous #1 2w

Yeah so the “flippant” bird picture is because you’ve been over here having a one sided argument with #3 blowing up my comments with paragraphs they very clearly do not care to read or engage with, and I wanted you to stop doing that like 6 paragraph long comments ago. We get your point, it’s legitimately not worth it to put this level of effort into an internet debate where the other side doesn’t care what you have to say.

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Anonymous #1 2w

Like nobody here asked to have a “thoughtful and honest conversation” with you about the way I phrased my post. You equally made the choice to come in here and argue about this

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Anonymous OP 2w

grow up, go fuck yourself, and learn how to use the “mute notifications” or “block” buttons rather than resorting to unwarranted petty passive-aggression if it triggers you that bad to see people continuing to exchange replies on your uninteresting and poorly-worded post. there, is that more your speed sweetheart?

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Anonymous OP 2w

you wanted me to stop replying, and I wanted you to fix your wording, but it looks like we don’t always get our way in life

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Anonymous OP 2w

#3 could’ve stopped replying at any time as well but I don’t see you saying jack shit to them. it could not be any more obvious that you’re only beefing with me because you can’t deal with criticism

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Anonymous #4 2w

bro is rlly deleting comments and shir

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Anonymous #3 2w

Hopefully it’s because they saw the hypocrisy of claiming that being told to disconnect and go outside is a personal attack, then going on to quite literally attack people personally with a paragraph long “go fuck yourself” rant lmao

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Anonymous OP 2w

crazy shit dude🫪

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