Anonymous #1 15w

People with no empathy

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Anonymous #2 15w

people have become more comfortable with their antisemitism because they think it’s acceptable now. it’s horribly frustrating and scary

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Anonymous #1 15w

It makes me anxious about wearing my Magen David in public. But I won’t let anyone make me feel afraid.

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Anonymous #2 15w

stand strong my friend, i stand with you and to others: you can be pro palestine without being antisemitic. the israeli government, no matter how much they claim to be, is not remotely representative of all jews

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Stfu. Waving a flag doesn’t mean they support the government

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And there’s also a Palestinian flag in the image

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Anonymous #2 15w

Yeah I still like the American flag for example even though I despise the current president

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Anonymous #3 15w

Same

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Anonymous #5 15w

Isntreal has a network of “Arab-Israeli Peace” NGOs that obfuscate the oppression, act like “both sides” are the issue, and promote collaboration between Arabs with citizenship and the occupiers

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Anonymous #3 15w

People like you give me hope as a Jew. Thank you

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Anonymous #1 15w

PS its not just the “Israeli” government. The Isntreali settler population are bloodthirsty psychos

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Anonymous #2 15w

Ofc 💙💙✡️✡️🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️🇵🇸🇵🇸

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Anonymous #7 15w

Missing the entire point of the post

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Anonymous #5 15w

that is still not all of them

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No. You brought up something that had nothing to do with the post

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Anonymous #2 15w

The comments are bringing up antisemitism.

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Anonymous #1 15w

more than half still are not representative of all and certainly are not representative of the world population of jews

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Anonymous #1 15w

The genocide isnt the fault of a few bad actors in government. It is a sick and genocidal society. This is not antisemitic to point out.

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Anonymous #7 15w

what is antisemitic is attacking jews in general because of the actions of the idf, accusing them of supporting the genocide in palestine because they are jewish and israel is a primarily jewish country. which many people who claim to be “pro palestine” are doing. which only serves to brew more hate, violence, and persecution. which is the opposite of that the movement or literally any living person needs

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Anonymous #1 15w

this is what we are talking about

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Anonymous #5 15w

this is true but people are also using this as an excuse to make sweeping accusations about all jews and to make blatantly antisemitic statements rather than focusing their criticism on the society and militarism

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Anonymous #1 15w

that’s all i’m saying. the issue isn’t the religion but the society. which acts in ways that the religion directly stipulates not to

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Anonymous #1 15w

Thank you for standing up for Jews

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Also the second source you sent is a headline of an opinion piece. I don’t know how reliable that is

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hey so that 65% statistic is false. it’s a mistranslation of the original language of the survey. literally a thirty second google search will tell you that.

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Anonymous #2 15w

of course! part of my family is jewish, and i’m a member of hillel at my school. good friends with many people there and the rabbi and his wife are like another pair of parents to me (and they and my parents adore each other). i’ve been considering converting to judaism for a couple years now actually i’ve just not had the time for the process

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Anonymous #1 15w

Hillel is awesome

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Anonymous #1 15w

but even if this wasn’t the case it’s just the right thing to do to stand up for people. you can criticize and rally against something without bringing down an entire group, most of whom are innocent or even completely against it

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Anonymous #5 15w

idk how you think people are gonna take you seriously if you can’t take 30 seconds to fact check your claims.

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Anonymous #1 15w

Hillel is a propaganda org used to get Jewish people to colonize Palestine, I know because my dad works for them

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Anonymous #6 15w

“i’m not antisemitic i’m just against every single jewish organization” that’s how you sound rn

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Anonymous #9 15w

Well there ya go, I’ve learned the hard way to never trust opinion pieces as they’re often inflammatory and aren’t bound to the same rules of fact reporting as some other kinds of articles are. Tucker Carlson got away with all the shit he did because his show was classified as an opinion piece

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Anonymous #2 15w

it really is, it’s like a home on campus. i joined because i associated jewish gatherings with family already and then fell in love with it. they welcome non jews with open arms and are so lovely. the rabbi and his wife are some of the most kind hearted and supportive people i’ve ever met and they also give amazing hugs

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Anonymous #9 15w

i was quite skeptical of that statistic to be honest

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Anonymous #6 15w

it’s literally just a community bruh. hillel is a community. not a propaganda organization. they’ve been around for a long time and serve as a way to give jewish students a place to practice their religion and be with others like them. and to welcome in new friends. it’s a community, a home. have you ever once been to hillel also it can vary by school probably but in my experience and others as well it’s very positive and supportive

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Anonymous #5 15w

also no matter your opinion on the country, calling it isntreal is ridiculous. like that is not the argument here

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Anonymous #7 15w

claiming that saying anything about this is inherently never antisemitic is just blatantly false

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Anonymous #1 15w

literally and this pisses me off so much as someone who is arguably an antizionist (depends how you qualify it). like it or not, israel does in fact exist and pretending it doesn’t helps no one.

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Anonymous #1 15w

“Not all men”🥀 missing the point final boss

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Anonymous #5 15w

Nearly half is not all of them lmfaoo

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No, we do not welcome zionists at Pride when they are cheering on genocide.

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Anonymous #9 15w

I’m literally Jewish dumbass, if you’re illiterate that’s not my fault.

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Anonymous #1 15w

It’s not, their mission is to spread propaganda and get people to colonize Palestine. Idgaf if you believe me

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Anonymous #6 15w

Replying that to a post that was just proving information is crazy maybe don’t be so hostile towards facts

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Anonymous #10 15w

zionists hate facts and actively twist or ignore them 🤣

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Anonymous #12 15w

nowhere did i or the others say “i’m a zionist” i’m literally not. israel is corrupt and the genocide is unjustified no matter what. i’m saying that this does not represent jews as a whole. this isn’t jews in general doing it and it isn’t rhetorical fault of judaism. yes the people doing it are jews but that does not mean that they represent jews, nor does it mean that they should

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Anonymous #1 15w

I 100% agree this doesnt represent Jews as a whole. We have been saying this represents a majority of non-Arab Israelis. The polls make that very clear.

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Anonymous #1 15w

The flag does not represent Jews, at all. It is a symbol of zionism, of the terrorist colony. It does not belong at Pride. It doesn’t belong anywhere.

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Anonymous #1 15w

You keep making a straw man, I’m saying true things about Israeli settlers and you accuse me of generalizing Jewish people???

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Anonymous #5 15w

dude no one is disagreeing that the majority of israeli jews are zionists or support the idf. but you keep responding to comments about jews in general with (often misleading) statements about israeli jews…what is that if not generalizing? genuine question

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Anonymous #12 15w

most american jews feel that israel is integral to their jewish identity, ie most feel that flag DOES represent jews. you don’t have to think that’s a good thing, i certainly don’t, but it’s a fact.

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Anonymous #9 15w

Bruh no one brought up Jewish people as a group except you and #1. Reread the thread. We were literally talking about the Zionist settlers and then someone started saying we are generalizing Jewish people???

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Anonymous #5 15w

literally the first topic of this thread was antisemitism and how the israeli govt doesnt represent all jews. you’re the one who started talking about israeli jews when no one else was

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Anonymous #9 15w

Thats a rhetorical sleight of hand that ultimately excuses genocide. You are saying we can’t criticize the zionist genociders because a majority of Jewish people feel attached to them?? I have not said one thing about Jewish people. I keep reiterating true statements about Zionist colonizers. And this offends you, it seems.

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Anonymous #9 15w

The zionist occupiers government doesnt represent all Jews on earth. Never said it did. I said the problem isnt just the zionist government. Its the entire society, built on genocide and still supports it. And obviously the minority of Isntreal doesnt support genocide against Arabs.

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Anonymous #9 15w

By saying its all the government’s fault, not zionist society, you are engaging in a bit of genocide denialism.

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Anonymous #5 15w

cool so that’s actually not what i’m saying. i’m not offended by you criticizing zionists. if anything i’m “offended” by you 1) responding to comments with something completely unrelated, 2) using false or misleading statistics, and 3) implying that i (and others) have said certain things when we haven’t.

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Anonymous #9 15w

Its true?? Standing Together is on the bds list for the reasons I described

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Anonymous #5 15w

once again, no one said it was all the government’s fault. if you want to talk logical fallacies i recommend reading up on nonsequiter and the slippery slope, seeing as you have been using both

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Anonymous #5 15w

buddy i’m talking about the earlier statistic that was literally false that you jjust deleted without saying anything

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Anonymous #9 15w

My statistics are true. Isntreali society is objectively a sick and twisted one

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Anonymous #9 15w

If people criticize the zionist flag and the response is “the Israeli government…” dog its not the government, its the society as a whole

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Anonymous #5 15w

Exactly.

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Anonymous #9 15w

Collectively, your comments imply a defense of Isntreali society and culture. You say the statistics are misrepresentative (they arent). You talk about this being the gov’s fault (who do they represent?). You even defended Hillel, which frequently hosts and helps the IOF

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Anonymous #5 15w

1. you posted an earlier statistic that was false and took it down without acknowledging 2. you posted a headline that ~58% of israelis say the idf is not doing enough. that poll was from october 2023. currently that number is much lower, about 35% (aka NOT a majority)

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Anonymous #9 15w

It’s baffling how you’re so hellbent on defending terrorism.

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Anonymous #9 15w

The 65% of Isntreali settlers supporting mass rape of Palestinians? Thats true and I didnt delete it. Someone got it taken down.

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Anonymous #9 15w

Didnt delete it. It was true. Someone reported it and got it taken down.

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Anonymous #9 15w

The nonstop bombing of schools and hospiitals, the famine, already began in October 2023. And another 40% said the IDF was doing “the right amount”. A whopping NINETY-EIGHT percent supported the mass killings, famine, bombings.

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Anonymous #5 15w

I REPORTED IT. you know why? it wasn’t true. it was a mistranslation of the original language of the poll. the statement that most israeli jews are against criminal prosecution for idf soldiers raping palestinians is false. i dont support the idf, but misinformation helps no one.

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Anonymous #12 15w

not terrorism, just truth. i’m very pro palestine and antizionist, but i also know not to spread misinformation even if its in favor of causes i support.

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Anonymous #9 15w

Literally less than 2% thought they were bombing Gaza too much. More than 80% thought Palestinian suffering doesnt matter at all. You’re defending a sick society

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Anonymous #9 15w

So you admit to lying? You said I took down my own post and now you admit you reported it?

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Anonymous #5 15w

i still didn’t say anything about the genocide being solely the govt’s fault. i still didn’t defend anyone or anything, certainly not israel or israelis or their govt. the only thing i would say about hillel is that it is virtually impossible to find jewish community spaces without ties to israel and the idf.

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Anonymous #5 15w

Whats your source for the 65% statistic being wrong? I dont take people on the internet at face value.

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Anonymous #9 15w

There were massive fucking protests to PROTECT the rapists. Lawmakers ADVOCATE for rape. It is a systemic issue. Not a one-off.

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Anonymous #5 15w

look at your search, man! you’re searching shit like “98% of israelis support destroying gaza” and posting ai generated summaries and outdated polls that don’t represent current beliefs. there are real, factual, verifiable sources on how israelis feel about the genocide. use those.

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Anonymous #9 15w

They don’t support your claims.

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Anonymous #9 15w

Sure thing, zio. We all know your bullshit tactics.

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Anonymous #5 15w

cool neither do i thats why we have this great thing called google. if you search “65% of israelis oppose criminal prosecution” the first thing you’ll see is a fact check of the article you posted which shows it’s a mistranslation.

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Anonymous #12 15w

what claims have i made that aren’t supported by verifiable sources? seriously, bc i dont think i’ve made very many claims at all

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Anonymous #12 15w

of course it’s a systemic issue and i’m not denying that, nor am i denying that some israelis did support the rapists! but you shouldn’t need to inflate or misrepresent statistics to support your cause!

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Anonymous #9 15w

You keep bringing up the mistranslation as if it makes them any better. They all KNEW rape occurred, cheered and protested to protect the rapists, and only 21% of the settlers said they should have criminal trial. That is definitely a majority who really doesn’t give a shit or supports it.

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Anonymous #9 15w

It’s baffling how you’re trying to defend them.!

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Anonymous #9 15w

These are literally statistics from Tel Aviv University. 98% of Isntrealis thought the bombings were too little or adequate.

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Anonymous #9 15w

Just googled it. The correct translation is only a hair different. 65% of Isntrealis believe there should be NO CRIMINAL PERSECUTION for IOF soldiers who abuse Palestinians

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Anonymous #5 15w

the wording of the article you shared implied that 65% of israelis think idf soldiers who rape palestinians should have zero consequences. you don’t see the difference? still bad, but one is clearly worse, and also untrue.

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Anonymous #5 15w

and again that poll is older and more recent polls show that 4% of israelis think the idf has gone to far. of COURSE 4% is still disgustingly low! but it’s also more than double, meaning opposition toward the idf has doubled. that matters, no?

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Anonymous #9 15w

Bruh youre grasping at straws here

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Anonymous #9 15w

You can see that youre grasping at straws right

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Anonymous #9 15w

“4% of zio settlers are against the genocide” Not exactly a persuasive defense of the settler society. Nor is “65% of settlers are against criminal charges for the IOF abusing prisoners but they still think there should be a slap on the wrist” Yeah that helps my argument. Its a sick and twisted society.

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Anonymous #9 15w

Its also absurd that youve been attacking me this whole time, calling me a liar, because I posted a poll that was later revealed to be a mistranslation that only slightly changed the actual meaning

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Anonymous #5 15w

hillel is more than that. it is a home for many. and many among us are just as if not more against what’s going on in israel and palestine than you

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Anonymous #1 15w

many of my friends in hillel have gone to israel at least once and are against the genocide going on

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Anonymous #1 15w

Doubt that but this is an anonymous forum anyway and I’m not here for a dick measuring contest

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Anonymous #1 15w

Why do you say “whats going on in Isntreal and Palestine” that language itself sounds so “both sides-y”. Why not just call it the genocide?

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Anonymous #5 15w

you’re hellbent on hating everything that has any connection to israel at all. that’s thinking is very black and white

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Anonymous #1 15w

*that thinking is

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Anonymous #5 15w

i’ve said genocide more than once already tfym

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Anonymous #5 15w

i even said “genocide” in the comment directly above yours💀

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Anonymous #1 15w

How can I hate that which does not exist?

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Anonymous #5 15w

what does this even mean

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Anonymous #1 15w

But yeah, a genocidal apartheid state slaughtering the Indigenous people is pretty black and white

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Anonymous #1 15w

Tbh Id be hard-pressed to find something more black and white

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Anonymous #5 15w

that is not what i’m saying. i’m saying you’re attacking anything that has any connection at all to israel because of the genocide

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Anonymous #1 15w

There is no such thing as an Israel. Its fictional. Made up by Herzl and his gang of fascist thugs

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Anonymous #5 15w

“genocide bad” is black and white as it gets and i agree with that. i was not saying that it wasn’t. that is not what i was saying isn’t black and white

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Anonymous #1 15w

Why are we even arguing

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Anonymous #5 15w

the founding of it is fucked up and the society is fucked up but no matter how much you hate it it is still a nation

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Anonymous #5 15w

you tell me

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Anonymous #1 15w

We dont vibe as people but youre obviously not a zionist and seem like a fine person. Have a good night

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Anonymous #5 15w

thanks i guess please chill on the way you’re lashing out, it’s counterproductive but yea you too

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Anonymous #5 15w

i do have one question tho why are you saying iof? the genocidal military is the idf not the iof

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Anonymous #1 15w

No, it’s the IOF. “israeli” occupation forces.

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Anonymous #12 15w

that’s just. not what they’re called if you’re gonna hate on something do it by name

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Anonymous #1 15w

I am. Can’t “defend” when you’re the oppressor and instigator. It’s an occupational entity. That’s all it is.

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Anonymous #12 15w

i agree that it’s a bad name but that is what they’re called

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Anonymous #1 15w

And we’re not respecting terrorists, period.

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Anonymous #12 15w

if you’re gonna criticize someone or something do it by name

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Anonymous #1 15w

Not respecting those filthy fucking terrorists. You should either. But expecting a zionist to have that sense of morality is asking too much.

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Anonymous #1 15w

yeah! so that was unnecessary and shitty

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Anonymous #1 15w

also i think #12 called me a “fucking terrorist” and a string of some other bad things in a comment before presumably blocking me because i saw a notification for it before it disappeared along with all their comments

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Anonymous #5 15w

no one is attacking you. you’re the one calling names (btw ‘zio’ is generally considered a slur due to its connection to the kkk), defending misinformation, and dismissing an entire society as being sick and depraved beyond repair. you’re the one constantly accusing me of saying things i don’t even believe and defending things i don’t support.

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Anonymous #5 15w

if your response to finding out you spread misinformation is “whatever, its close enough”, you will quickly fall for actual propaganda. if your response to israel committing atrocities is to deny its existence, that delusion is going to prevent you from ever being part of meaningful progress.

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Anonymous #5 15w

the only reason i’m engaging with you at all is because we clearly have similar beliefs and i genuinely want you to have a better understanding of your arguments. because if your goal is ending the genocide, your first step should be dismantling the pro-israel propaganda that surrounds it. and you can’t do that if you’re spreading statistics without fact-checking or proper context, calling names, and claiming any disagreement is an attack.

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