
It reminds me of the "fellas is it gay to be attracted to women as a man" meme because it's simpler than people make it seem. Of course though as mentioned by #4 if one of your partners is queer it doesn't cancel out the queerness either. Kind of like how when a bi guy and a bi woman are dating, it's a straight relationship but at the same time there's queer aspects to it
I think it’s so weird how men will be attracted to feminine gay/bi men and yet still call themselves straight bc they think the “roles are the same” or that the gay/bi guy is a “technically a girl” (they’re just homophobic and have a lot of toxic masculinity to unpack). And yet with trans women, they get all transphobic and call them men. Like huhhh???
you said that cis men as a group would never be able to see the full womanhood of transgender and transsexual women who haven’t had bottom surgery. don’t backpedal now! it’s a generalization of cis men, i’m just saying it’s a reach, an assumption, hyperbolic and unrealistic in the way that YOU framed it, but trust, i knew what you meant lol.
gender norms and the construct of transness vary a lot from culture to culture. the original post isn’t about kathoeys (“ladyboy”, while reclaimed by some kathoey, is a contentious label) and their place in Thai culture as part of a gender system that traditionally isn’t limited to just “male or female”… it’s about trans women. presumably in the western context since not specified otherwise
kathoey is a gender category that does include Some self-described trans women. there are also kathoey who were assigned male at birth, present in a feminine fashion, and wouldn’t exactly self-describe as men or as women. there isn’t really an equivalent categorical term in the west, kathoey have been considered a “third gender” of sorts for a very long time
but for context, it also wouldn’t really make sense to simply describe them as “nonbinary” because they’re coming from a culture that doesn’t historically limit their system of gender to a binary in the first place. anyway, I’m no expert, but to say “the kathoeys would agree” is a vast oversimplification