Anonymous #3 3w

You say this like the founding fathers didn’t literally revolt over some taxes on tea and stamps bro. If the founding fathers had modern morals ts would 100% align w their belief system. It’s the ppl for the ppl. Thats what ts is all about.

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Anonymous #1 3w

They were genocidal slaveowners and would love ICE because they terrorize Brown people

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Anonymous #3 3w

While the founding fathers weren’t great people, the uniting idea that formed the USA and continued to push it forward was freedom and that the people are the will of the country and will come together in others time of need. That when change needs to happen, our people are unified by the idea of working towards a better future for all of us and won’t tolerate a government not following the will of the people.

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Anonymous #3 3w

The USA is made up of the people, not the government.

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Anonymous mother_russia 3w

Actually, thats not true. Thats propaganda the empire teaches to justify its existence. I recommend you read Domenico Losurdo’s A Brief History of Liberalism, or Achille Mbembe’s Necropolitics, or J Sakai’s Settlers. Western Liberalism has always been based on the idea that “rights” and “freedom” are exclusively for westerners.

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Anonymous #3 3w

I mean, just take a cursory look at US culture. Besides the founding fathers, modern and contemporary mass murderers like Bush, Obama, Harris are glorified and honored by American culture

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Anonymous mother_russia 3w

And most Americans, especially white America, support and vote for this system. They explicitly believe it is their right to “rule” the world, i.e. be global police

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Anonymous #3 2w

yea idk why people act like the US wasn't built in blood. We should not glorify that or the ongoing genocide that our government is responsible for. Chicago folks are doing great things with their support for undocumented people though! That's just the society we want and the dream we're sold and it's worth fighting for, but it's not what our government has ever endorsed.

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Anonymous #4 2w

The uniting ideas of our country and ideas that lead people to seek out our country, are not the same as the abuses people in our government (current and past) have endorsed or participated in. Wanting African slaves wasn’t why the USA was made, wanting women to be subservient to men wasn’t why the USA was made, etc. yes it was definitely apart of the people who made it and how it was built but those aren’t the uniting ideas (unlike with the confederates which the unified idea was slavery)

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Anonymous #4 2w

I’m talking about the USA as the actual people deciding to unify into the USA and into the union, not the government that took control of the USA during those times. I absolutely hate our government and the things they’ve done but I don’t see a country and all of its people as the government or the values of the government to be the same values of the people. So when I’m talking about the uniting principles, I’m talking about the ideas that brought people together to the USA and to form the USA

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Anonymous #4 2w

Like in my own family history, my ancestors came to the USA for hope of a better future, and when they got here they settled in a pacifist community but ultimately uprooted everyone because they wanted to fight specifically against slavery so they joined the union (this is all over multiple generations). So I see THAT as the uniting principles and not the government endorsing slavery or genocide, etc. because it’s actually what brought people /together/

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Anonymous #4 2w

I don’t want it to seem like I’m overlooking the atrocities that have been committed in the name of our government or by our people, or glorifying it at all because there is some seriously fucked up stuff we have done and continue to do, hence the long explanation

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Anonymous mother_russia 2w

I hear you, and I wish your family's story was the norm as far as europeans who moved here goes because we would all be in a better place if that was the case. There have always been people who celebrate diversity and those stories shouldn't be erased. I think there is an inclination to overstate the prevalence of the good we know of the past, which is just as incorrect as saying it didn't exist so I don't want to sound too doomer about it

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Anonymous #4 2w

an often overlooked factor of the revolutionary war was Britain wanting american settlers to respect the land boundaries of indigenous tribes that were set at the time, rather than the oversimplified version we're told in school that it was "just Britain being controlling"

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Anonymous mother_russia 2w

I’m not talking about the US gov, I’m saying the US was explicitly founded as a white supremacist entity where “freedom” is for white europeans, and that has always been the understanding. This isnt my opinion, there are scores of academic research and primary sources backing this up

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Anonymous mother_russia 2w

The radical abolitionists made up like 1% of the us population and never had a major political group, like the Green Party today. The non-radical abolitionists wanted to send Blacks back to Africa

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Anonymous mother_russia 2w

To this day, America and the west as a whole is a genocidal entity that implicitly sees rights as only being for westerners. Like I said, Obama and Bush are widely praised and considered respectable despite murdering hundreds of thousands of people

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Anonymous #4 2w

America is the same as Israel, just older. The settlers themselves are racist and genocidal, not just the government

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