Anonymous #1 9w

I’m Catholic, and apparently since my religion is “mainstream,” it’s okay, but it makes my blood boil. It makes me angry that people go on roaring rampages (however justifiably) about someone everyone believes is fictional being sexualized, but just because you think who I believe in is fictional, you can sexualize them and those who have followed them?

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Anonymous #2 9w

Well that is part of it, but I mean porn of nuns. In this case “trap nuns.” Which since the vows a nun takes are unique to them (nuns get one set and monks another, non-binaries are actually recognized and there’s a process for which, but the rules are pretty much the same), and are AFAB(ish) specific. So this would be mocking a vow made to God AND mocking the vow of celibacy.

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Anonymous #2 9w

I get that people who don’t understand why nuns are celibate might, but if I could make an analogy to new-age or historical mythology, Artemis (a goddess who was a virgin AND WOULD STAY ONE as she had made a pledge) being depicted as in the middle of an orgy, or Vesta doing the same, would be a mockery of what those goddesses were. This applies to nuns. Yeah; they might not always obey their vows, but that doesn’t declare open season on them.

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Anonymous #1 9w

This is not about it happening *at all,* which yes, angers me, but this guy sent it to me directly then when I said it made me mad he doubled down aggressively and insulted me.

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Anonymous OP 9w

I can’t rlly remark on the sexualisations of catholic themes, but I think sexualisation of any religion is bad. Idk. I get that it’s a mainstream religion but no one dresses as a sexy Protestant for Halloween

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Anonymous #1 9w

I find it kidna annoying when super religious homophobic Catholics will complain about people dressing modestly as nuns or Joan of arc, but I do think it has something to do with both not taking things seriously, and also misogyny, that mainstream culture sees a woman who has specifically pledged herself to not be sexual, not be sexualised, and looks at her and goes, wow. I need to make a sexy costume of this idea.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Okay that’s both upsetting because of the religious aspect, but also like. Sending porn to random people who don’t want porn sent to them is creep behavior

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Anonymous #1 9w

Oh it gets better his justification is “at least I didn’t send Jesus or the Pope!” Like yeah, you didn’t mock my religion in a WORSE way.

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Anonymous OP 9w

It bears repeating: It isn’t that people do it AT ALL. It’s that SOMEONE SENT IT TO ME DIRECTLY. KNOWING I WAS CATHOLIC. THE SENDER WAS SOMEONE I CONSIDERED A FRIEND.

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Anonymous OP 9w

If someone does it privately, yeah it’s still insulting to my religion, but I don’t have to look at it. Yeah, I know it happens. But I am not going to get angry. If I don’t know something happened, I can’t get mad at it.

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Anonymous #1 9w

I think a lot of this is that Protestantism doesn’t have any kind of celibacy requirement or consecrated Virgin concept. If it did, like, women in pink who were celibate but did the same thing, they’d be sexualized too. Those few Protestant monastic communities tend to just use Catholic garb anyway

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Anonymous OP 9w

To be clear, I’d be pissed about this too. I’m not saying that I’ve always been perfect, but there are lines that just should not be crossed. If you have a whole group of people sworn to be celibate, religiously, and they are mocked by being sexualized, I’d be mad too. Like depicting the Judensau makes me angry too.

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Anonymous #4 9w

This has almost the same energy as “just be straight.” Like, my religious beliefs are as involuntary for me as my sexuality.

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Anonymous OP 9w

They’re not. Religion is an active choice, sexuality is not.

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Anonymous #4 9w

Not really. One’s beliefs aren’t entirely voluntary. You cannot force yourself to change your mind. Believe me, I know, I’ve tried. Your beliefs CAN change, but that isn’t a voluntary decision, it happens over time organically. The difference is that sexuality doesn’t really develop so much as you realize it over time. The underlying issue is the same, that you can’t change willingly. I’m also still angry at people intentionally insulting and mocking people’s religions in front of them anyway

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Anonymous #4 9w

Also, sexualizing women who have gone out of their way to say that they are not going to be sexually active at all and have taken a vow not to be, like deliberately celebrating that they have made a vow that has historically been taken so seriously that nuns would commit suicide before breaking it, is just reflecting a supreme issue with boundaries in my opinion

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Anonymous OP 9w

Cool, you’re in a death cult and you know damn well how asinine it is to think there’s some wizard blessing you and doing jack shit for child sex trafficking. That requires active, cognitive dissonance. It is a choice. You’re smarter than falling for a cult.

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Anonymous #4 9w

i’m as atheist as they come, and i do not fw religion personally. but if someone wants to practice their religion in a way that is respectful of others, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. op didn’t say anything wrong.

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Anonymous #5 9w

They’re death cults with doctrine created solely to harm others and “justify” it. Fuck religion.

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Anonymous #4 9w

genuine question, do you expect respect and peace in return when you approach a conversation like that?? like again, i don’t like organized religion, but saying they’re all evil and being so extreme about how you word it… like dude.. calm down

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Anonymous #5 9w

Or, quit giving room to abuse and harm brought about by cults.

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Anonymous #4 9w

Dame right

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Anonymous #7 9w

i follow a trans creator/activist who got back into catholicism as an adult but is also a very active kink educator and activist so the relationship between her catholicism and sexuality are very much tied and it sometimes means sexualizing her own religion because that’s how she chooses to engage and practice.

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Anonymous #4 9w

you’re not hearing me. but that’s ok.

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Anonymous #4 9w

dude if you don’t like religion that’s fine but you don’t have to be a dick about it

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Anonymous #7 9w

Why not? Religion has killed millions upon millions of people. It’s why things are so backwards and fucked up these days. It doesn’t deserve quarter.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Yeah, that was what I’m getting at. It’s not about “oh religion bad we get to sexualise it bc it bad.” Because why aren’t there sexy pastors. It’s always nuns and preists. I think the nun thing is because men see a woman who is unattainable and desires to break her boundaries. Same with lesbians in a way.

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Anonymous #1 9w

I tried to explain why I was offended and like he tried to say “but it’s about corruption of innocence!” Like yeah, but there are accounts of early Christian women who had taken vows like this literally committing suicide to protect their vows.

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Anonymous #4 9w

religion has also brought millions of people together. religion itself is not good or bad it just exists and the heart of it is to bring people of a similar practice together.

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Anonymous OP 9w

Also like yeah maybe but also im assuming you didn’t tell him to send porn to you??

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Anonymous #1 9w

I tried that first and politely.

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Anonymous #4 9w

My new favorite meme

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