Anonymous #1 3w

that’s literally always what happens tho

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Anonymous #12 3w

Exactly. Benefits nobody and harms everyone.

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Anonymous #14 3w

Some cis man ally athlete has the potential to do the funniest thing ever

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Anonymous #24 3w

Nothing fair about it. It’s simply to perpetuate hateful bullshit and misogyny.

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Anonymous #5 3w

I’ve seen women athletes cry because said “women”can easily win over them because their starting point is much higher. Years of hard training slammed by opponents who aren’t at their level. Therefore I support this wholeheartedly, because I actually care about someone other than myself.

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Anonymous #24 3w

You really don’t, though, you’re just a misogynist and transphobic piece of shit perpetuating bullshit misinformation. 😂

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Anonymous #24 3w

there’s a million other advantages, many of which are more prevalent and impactful than this. they chose this one “advantage” specifically to target trans women.

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Anonymous #5 3w

Btw, I’m not the one insulting ppl here, yet I am called a piece of shit. What kind of person are u

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Anonymous #6 3w

The picture says “with male level of testosterone”. So that’s not all trans and cis women, mind you. They are not judging ppl by their self identity, but by a biological fact. I don’t see any targeting.

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Anonymous #24 3w

the idea of this rule is targeting women who do not fit into what gross men have decided is femininity. and also there are already rules put into place for trans women to compete in olympic sports that already address fairness. this is an attack on women who do not fit the status quo of "acceptable women" and therefor IS and attack. mind you- you never see this kind of push against trans men in mens sports bc the people who make these rules hate women.

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Anonymous #24 3w

And that loser just dmed me with a paragraph of insults, threatened to beat me, yet I am just holding an opinion and open to others. Don’t worry, that loser can’t represent all trans people. I am open for any other opinion as long as u don’t threaten me 💔

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Anonymous #11 3w

Femininity is a social construct. Testosterone level is a clear, measurable number. They have no relation whatsoever. I am very confused on your point that “such push doesn’t exist in men sports”. What’s your point. If a person has significant higher testosterone levels, they should be put up with athletes with similar testosterone levels. This is how you ensure fairness in sports. Notice that I didn’t mention anything about gender/sex while explaining my point.

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Anonymous #11 3w

Maybe stop assuming people who don’t agree with you with all that hatred. Start convincing and stop assaulting.

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Anonymous #11 3w

And by the way, this decision was based on scientific research, as said in the article, not on “gross men’s bias on femininity”. So until more reliable scientific research proved otherwise, it is a laughable act to use your label as a tool for pretending to be a victim. Bias exists, and we should work together on eliminating them, but not on this one.

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Anonymous #24 3w

The testosterone requirements disproportionately affect cis women of color and intersex individuals who would otherwise be considered female. Aside from harming the women directly affected, this has caused harm to communities of color in international social perceptions. Also in general, athletes are already at the biological extremes of human form and ability, so marking people as “too extreme” with a formal barrier is quite strange to me.

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Anonymous #24 3w

except these rules are not used in the term, i think the way you blissfully ignore the issues that come with this rule is disquieting. cis women HAVE been pushed out of their own sports due to transvestigating because they dont appear feminine enough. we saw this in the last olympics. the fact that this rule is even extending to cis women is raising flags. and my point was very clear. these people never mention trans men in mens sports because of their bias towards men and masculinity.

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Anonymous #11 3w

(extended) the reason this is an issue is that people cannot control their biology. in all our time in history we never questioned a cis womans testosterone levels for sports. this is only happening due to transphobia and misogyny. men in sports are not screened for estrogen levels and are never under the same scrutiny which directly points to how the patriarchal society policies women and their bodies and try to control how they operate in their own spaces.

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Anonymous #2 3w

Do u mean testosterone levels also differ depending on races? If so then comparisons should be made within the same race to determine which group should an athlete belong to. Science has proven that ppl with higher testosterone levels have an advantage, even when it comes to top physical conditions. Therefore people with similar levels should be matchmaked together. It’s that simple, I don’t see what u mean by “too extreme”. Are you saying barriers shouldn’t exist at all-

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Anonymous #2 3w

because athletes have worked themselves hard enough so that a gender advantage doesn’t exist anymore? Then every athlete should be put together, regardless of anything.

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Anonymous #11 3w

That’s because trans men usually have a disadvantage when competing with natural men??? Are you saying that trans men with a lower testosterone level should be considered as a female? If so I agree with you because this is fairer for both sides. Teachers would only care about those who cheats in an exam but not those who intentionally bombs an exam, I can’t believe I’m explaining this??

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Anonymous #24 3w

1. You are tone deaf if you can’t see how this article DIRECTLY ADDRESSES the nonexistent “trans women with male testosterone levels” who are competing in the Olympics. This is some of the most obvious fear mongering possible. 2. You never addressed my point on why the Olympics cares exclusively about the “advantage” which conveniently makes people believe trans women with “male testosterone levels” are “invading” sports. 3. No one here takes you seriously since you base everything on vibes.

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Anonymous #24 3w

Oh I dunno, they’re probably the kind of person who is tired of seeing people like you strip their basic human rights away and deflect all criticism under a guise of “civility.” Your tone may be civil but the things you support are still just as violently destructive and must be pushed back against in as strong terms as possible, even if poor poor you feels insulted.

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Anonymous #25 3w

I’m AFAB and have more testosterone than the average man does. I am not particularly athletic nor do I have any advantage. If anything, I’m worse off physically than a female athlete. Why must I be locked out of sports simply because I am different?

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Anonymous #18 3w

Why do you think it’s okay to keep others out of things because they are different? I know you’re a troll, but the fact you even resort to this mindset for “fun” is disturbing. Have you no empathy? What or whom hurt you to the point where you cannot grasp the basic concepts your own community was founded upon??

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Anonymous #6 3w

Hi! I’m AFAB and have higher testosterone levels than most men. I am not faster or stronger than any of my female peers. Why shouldn’t I be able to compete?

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Anonymous #24 3w

are you being intentionally dense? never at all did i say trans men are women. what i am saying is the public SCRUTINY. your "logic" is stupid and hypocritical. "a teacher only cares about students who cheat and not those who intentionally bomb it" is probably the worst analogy ive ever seen. however i wouldnt expect someone like you to understand basic intelligence because clearly you just love twisting everyone elses point while deflecting the actual issue by saying to most devolved things

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Anonymous #18 3w

because differences gate you. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but certain things you are innately exclude you from certain activities. I am a man therefore i cannot get pregnant. being a man and getting pregnant are biologically mutually exclusive. Also raising the emotional stakes of this to be “disturbing” and saying i have “no empathy” is crazy. You’re making a monster out of me when i haven’t said anything demeaning nor rude. I simply disagree with you. Calm it down

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Anonymous #18 3w

yeah i think you should be able to compete. I think the reason they added that part was to get rid of women doping rather than trans people. if you just naturally have higher levels of testosterone good for you, but as long as you’re born a female and didn’t do testosterone i see no issue. That rule is a bit ridiculous

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Anonymous #24 3w

this whole point goes out the window when you understand that the concept of womens sports was made after women were beating men upon being allowed to play. it was never about fairness even from the start.

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Anonymous #24 3w

Are you talking about that lady that cried because she tied in 5th place with a trans woman? Do you think those that made 1-4th are secretly men then? 😂

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Anonymous #10 3w

true

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Anonymous #24 3w

Also, take into account that it isn’t always about gender identity or being trans. I am nonbinary, but I was also AFAB. I have PCOS. It causes me to have almost the same testosterone as a typical male. I cannot control this. So this rule is dumb, because everyone has different hormones!

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Anonymous #26 3w

“Participating in sports is a basic human right.” —you

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Anonymous #24 3w

W move fuck trans

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Anonymous #24 3w

not being discriminated against for no reason is a basic human right, dipshit.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

Fuck u trans lover

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Anonymous #11 3w

I’m not intentionally twisting your point, it’s how I am understanding it. If u have advantage, go compete with someone with the same level so that there is no advantage. Vice versa. And it is the science that says trans ppl have an unfair advantage, not me. I’m just explaining the science.

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Anonymous #6 3w

The reason is LITERALLY THERE in the article, not in your stupid delusion.

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Anonymous #24 3w

Stop sticking up for the fuckin trans they need to die

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Anonymous #7 3w

Chill out, not cool to say that. Trans people have every right to exist but not every right to participate in sports because recent study said so.

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Anonymous #7 3w

Even when trolling, wishing for the deaths of innocents is bad for the soul.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

I bet you voted for Harris

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Anonymous #6 3w

Actually, I base everything on science. If science says trans ppl have UNFAIR advantages in sports, as it does, then this policy is based on science. Anyone who tries to negate the science should engage in their own science to prove themselves. I think it becomes very clear who is basing everything on vibes atp.

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Anonymous #24 3w

screaming at everyone else about how they’re delusional when you’re actively having a tantrum btw… the reason is made up to discriminate and fearmonger. out of a million other non-divisive and more impactful advantages, they choose this one. if you think it’s out of fairness then you are clearly delusional.

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Anonymous #6 3w

I’m standing on the side of facts and science, which changes over time. If science proves otherwise, I will not hesitate to change my stance. Believing in every rule that involves trans people is discriminative is being delusional. Science is radical, everything that ignores science is delusional. It’s that simple.

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Anonymous #18 3w

Cuz you have better potential? And when athletes, someone who pushed their ability to the top, the only difference is potential which comes naturally. Of course you can’t win against real athletes with lower testosterone levels cuz you didn’t train like them. But we’re talking about real athletes against each other. Not everything is about you.

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Anonymous #24 3w

whats funny is youre trying to explain science to someone who is majoring in biology, its common knowledge in this field that HRT (a long standing requirement for olympic placement among trans people) WILL replace every biological advantage gained through the original puberty since your body is being flushed with different hormones while the original hormone is suppressed. my point is that you dont know a lick of what youre talking about because you just parrot what you hear on FOX news.

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Anonymous #9 3w

Ok, if that’s true then there shouldn’t be any groupings at all. All people compete together since we’re all the same. That just makes things much easier. Is that what you mean. If so I’d agree.

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Anonymous #11 3w

also- the "science" youre explaining is BS. when a transgender woman goes through HRT what is happening is her body is going through a female puberty which is REPLACING- not BUILDING on the puberty she went through in her teenage years. whatever advantage you think she has while competing is talent and training not biological.

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Anonymous #11 3w

Ok, so you know more science than me. Then go do your research and prove them wrong instead of insulting me just because you can’t prove them wrong. It’s not my research. Yet everyone is attacking me personally. That says a lot about you guys, btw. I really don’t want to say that but I unfortunately have to because I was frustrated by the insults.

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Anonymous #11 3w

Btw, I don’t care at all about what you are - whether you are bio major or trans - I only care about what u said and did. I don’t know you personally so I wouldn’t care about who you are.

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Anonymous #24 3w

i feel like you SHOULD care if im a bio major because what that means is that i actually do know the methods and the research on this topic and can give you a more educated stance. what i think you should is take what ive most recently saif about HRT and then go look at what others like me are saying about HRT so you can actually FIND the scientific census on trans people in sports. we HAVE proved you and other anti-trans ideologists wrong but you dont actually listen. that is mostly why im mad

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Anonymous #11 3w

I’m not anti trans but these people are very close to making me one

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Anonymous #24 3w

??? 😭

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Anonymous #24 3w

ok, look. let’s say you’re right and that it does give a tangible advantage. if the Olympics cared about advantages, why aren’t they addressing any others? why not height? why not muscle mass? if they cared, they would do every advantage, not just testosterone amounts. the only reason they care is because it’s a divisive topic and makes people believe that trans women with high testosterone were an actual issue

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Anonymous #11 3w

Ok, I will look that up. But I still won’t care about who you are because I think what you are have nothing to do with what you say and do. Truths are truths because they are true, not because the person who said it is more liable than anyone else. So you don’t have to tell me your major or your any other label for me to think about your words.

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Anonymous #24 3w

what are you on about??? its good youre going to go do real research but if a professional or someone who is doing research like this for a living than their opinion on a topic in that specialty has objectively more weight than someone who does it. a professional in human biology who figures this science out is of course going to be smarter in that topic than a politician whose never touched a case study a day in their life.

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Anonymous #6 3w

I believe that if they actually cared, all of those factors would be dealt with in the future. Testosterone levels is only one (questionable) of many factor that affects fairness. So unless they are all found and dealt with, or until every limit is disregarded and we compete against each other as individuals of one human species, there will always be rooms to say that one rule is discriminatory.

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Anonymous #11 3w

someone who doesnt* mb

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Anonymous #11 3w

“at a meeting last week, IOC medical and scientific director Dr. Jane Thornton — a former Canadian Olympic rower — presented the findings of a “science-based review into transgender athletes and competitors with differences of sexual development… competing in female sport.” That ain’t a politician dude. Your bias is very strong

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Anonymous #11 3w

You think you’re on the science side while the other is not, while in fact both are. Science can approach things from different perspectives and disagreements are common even when all used logical science when proving their point. So I am comparing two scientific studies, not one with another discriminating politician’s delusions

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Anonymous #11 3w

I believe we’re both trying to be polite but we can’t really feel it behind the screen. Internet can be a bitch. I’m gonna get off my phone and touch some grass I hope you can too :)

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Anonymous #6 3w

#5 dm’d me right after I drop the first comment, threatened to hit my face with a brick and knock all my teeth off.

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Anonymous #24 3w

Dang! Ok, even if I disagree with someone I don’t resort to aggression or insults/threats

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Anonymous #24 3w

well its good that you are at least trying to do your own research- irregardless of my political stance thats admirable. however i also thinks its important to note that "science based review" ≠ research study. i recommend looking at a medical experimental research paper that gives you the methods of a real experiment and then do that again with at least 5/7 for an accurate depiction.

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