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i saw someone on tiktok talking abt the difference between fem and femme and how femme is a gender identity. i would assume there is this same distinction between masc and butch, respectively. can someone explain how butch and femme are gender identities
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Anonymous 4d

im a lesbian who is starting to feel slightly less cis so im curious if something with these labels could fit

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Anonymous 4d

I wouldn’t take anything off tik tok seriously, but forsure talk to your local lesbians bout it!

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Anonymous 2d

so masc/fem is literally just about presentation, whereas femme + butch emphasize role and behavior. this discourse usually is more focused on masc vs butch tbh. spend some time in lesbian spaces/read lesbian history and you can get a feel for the difference.

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Anonymous 4d

honestly you’re not really going to find a very good answer in here, i suggest asking in one of the dedicated lesbian chats. im not going to name said chats because commenter #1 is a troll, but that’s where i would suggest asking

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 2d

So from my understanding (I’m a lesbian but I’m also dumb) fem is literally just the short version of feminine that’s how you present yourself and femme is more of a political identity bc of the relationship between fems and mascs/butches/studs in the past where fems needed to defend and protect more masc presenting wlws bc of the hatred they were experiencing

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