I think that the whole argument is pointless??? Both sides I think could be diverting their energy into more pressing matters. Both sides also don’t really care about what the other is saying, and are only trying to get their point across. Overall just wasted energy over something that amounts to almost nothing
why should he/him lesbians care what others are saying about their pronouns 💀 it’s really not that hard to explain it’s like queer 201, pronouns ≠ gender they’re basically just a nickname. the gays that get it, get it and the gays that don’t don’t 🤷🏽♀️ i do agree that we need less lesbian discourse and more lesbian intercourse
Yeah fair enough. I guess it’s unclear (as a non-man attracted exclusively to non men who uses he/him pronouns) what else to call yourself. Idk I guess I don’t put too much stock into labels so it seems funny/strange to argue extensively over them. Like you are what you are, regardless of the specific words you use to describe it.
I am what I am, and what I am is a lesbian. My issue is with others who throw hissy fits when I’m acting normally and they take issue with the labels I use for myself. It’s not arguing extensively. It’s “hi! I’m [name] I use he him pronouns.” “Well you have a lesbian pin you can’t do that you can’t have BOY pronouns and a lesbian pin.” “Well pronouns don’t equal gender and I am a lesbian.” “ERM NO YOURE NOT UR A BOYYY”
Well, nothing. That’s not what I’m calling strange. Obviously nonbinary lesbians exist in that there are people who call themselves lesbians who also call themselves nonbinary. What’s strange to me is, like, putting a large amount of stock into that fact. It’s basically a tautology, so why bother arguing about it? Anyone who disagrees clearly is just using words to mean different things than you are, so why not just point that out and move on? (goes for both sides)
It seems like we mostly agree, although I’m not sure why you don’t respond with “That’s interesting, it seems like we use language in different ways. It looks like you use the term “gender” to mean “the pronouns you use,” and take lesbian to mean “a person with she/her pronouns attracted only to people with she/her pronouns,” but I take gender to mean “[what you take gender to mean],” and lesbian to mean “[what you take lesbian to mean].” …(continued)
“In the sense that you use the word, I guess I wouldn’t be a lesbian, but in the sense that I and my friends use the word, I am a lesbian. From now on let’s stick to my definitions of terms when conversing so we can best understand each other, and we don’t run into such confusions later.” Then if they don’t just ignore them, or use language like they do for a bit as a means to an end. It strikes me as such a non-issue but explain if I’m missing something.
In what way was what I described “conceding”? I don’t get that, can you elaborate? Again it sees like the whole discourse is just people using the same words to mean different things. I really I don’t see how acknowledging that you’re defining words differently is conceding anything?